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Old 11-08-2010, 08:16 PM
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The difference is, history has shown that in order for a female to win HOY, they need to either defeat males or be really dominating and have there be no standout male during the year.

I'm not saying that is right, but that is how it has been for decades. If both of their campaigns sucked, which I'm not even sure I agree with, then the deciding factor should be head to head. I know it was a head, but Blame beat Zenyatta.

He defeated better horses and won the head to head matchup.
I agree about history, but I may agree that Blame was standout. or dwarfed his competition .

I really get that he won, but I really do feel she ran a better race.

As for the males vs females in the HOY choices, of course Azeri got it ibecause there was no stickout male, and Busher got it on her own.

Historically--if you have been around as long as I have , one could say both campaigns and QRs sucked because they were infrequent and spaced and carefully selected--but I didn't say they sucked .

This is what we get these days, and it does make it a little difficult with less information and actual seeing these guys on track with these programs.

In the old days, you truly got a better pictures of who was who because we saw them more, they raced more, and they did take more risks .

Even so, HOY decsions were not always universally approved either .

I still don't know what those rules are for HOY, and that was my main b*tch .

Thank you for your civility ..
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:30 PM
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I really get that he won, but I really do feel she ran a better race.
Feelings > Results in Ztard land.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:39 PM
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Feelings > Results in Ztard land.
That's a wrap ..

Your opinion and off topic again .

Next .
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:54 PM
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The sport of horse racing is dying. Zenyatta put fans in the stands, raced her heart out and should win HOY. BRING HER BACK NEXT YEAR AND CREATE A MEDIA EVENT ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY TO SAVE HORSE RACING. Big Z can save racing no other horse can.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:03 PM
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That's a wrap ..

Your opinion and off topic again .

Next .
Pot kettle black. I still haven't heard your justification for why Blame shouldn't get HOY. Yours, not Doug's.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:22 PM
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Pot kettle black. I still haven't heard your justification for why Blame shouldn't get HOY. Yours, not Doug's.
HELLLOOOOO ---I referenced Drugs' post to indicate that accomplishments are subjective, not to argue who got HOY.

If you read all my posts--and don't do me any favors--you might realize that I wasn't arguing HOY on your terms, I was saying the qualifications for HOY are subjective, and Blame dwarfed no one .

Taht is is ..

It can't be any simpler .

Really .

The original post indicated that I was taking umbrage in the fact that there were no set RULES for determining HOY--WTF ...

If I was justify anything,I was trying to justify subjectivity in the term accomplishment .

I really really can not make myself plainer ...

Any further queries will convince me I am dealing with a mammoth pudenda ..

That can't be right, can it ???


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Old 11-08-2010, 09:26 PM
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The structure of your posts really reflects the your presence here. Unnecessary space and a lot of words to really say nothing. There's no way you can twist Zenyatta's year into being on par with Blame's. Period. By any measure. So your 'HOY is subjective' point has no relevance here. I'm not arguing with a tard like you who has nothing worthwhile to say and just wants to antagonize people who know more than you.
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Old 11-09-2010, 09:05 AM
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I honestly can't believe the HOY debate is beginning, I thought it ended Saturday.

Best race by each was the classic and Blame beats Zenyatta. No matter the margin, the photo says he hit the wire first. ADVANTAGE BLAME

Race #2. Blame's Whitney win over QR, Musket, et al or Zenyatta's Vanity win over St. Trinians (who was hurt if you want to use the Battle Plan argument later). The Whitney was the best field of the year before the classic. ADVANTAGE BLAME

Race #3 Blame's Foster win over Battle Plan or Zenyatta's -what? Apple Blossom? The Foster wasn't a deep field, but Zenyatta's races after the aforementioned were so poor in quality it's hard to determine which field of allowance horses was better. The Foster is one of the most prestigious G1 races for older horses in America. ADVANTAGE BLAME

Races #4,5 Who knows at this point? Neither beat much or you could say Blame's JC Gold Cup loss gives the edge to Zenyatta. ADVANTAGE ZENYATTA for not losing.

In a nutshell, Blame won the two best races of the year and his only loss was in an open G1. Zenyatta's lone loss is better than Blame's, but his two great wins make it easy to see who deserves recognition.
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