Zenyatta

hockey2315 · #1 11-08-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nebrady

Are you kidding me. So you blackthroat wind and stupid you are the people who are the intelligent ones? The rest of us are trolls and not intelligent enough for your vast expert opinion? Comon man this is absolutley ridiculous! You think you know it all, but you still don't get it. Zenyatta has to be considered one of the greatest ever. She beat gio ponti in the classic last year. The only horse he has lose to are super fillies goldikova and zenyatta. With a little racing luck he would have won the arlington million twice! She beat a great horse called ginger punch on the dirt and barely lost to blame having a horrible start and being checked and going 6 wide and you people still bash her! Plus your telling me shes not good for the sport? Did you hear and see all the people cheering for her? If that isn't good for the sport what is?

These gems plus your overall inability to put a sentence together aren't really helping to loft you into that 10%.

NTamm1215 · #2 11-08-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

These gems plus your overall inability to put a sentence together aren't really helping to loft you into that 10%.

Wait, you were too kind, you didn't include the part about how Gio Ponti has only lost to super fillies like Zenyatta and Goldikova.

What does that say about Interpatation

hockey2315 · #3 11-08-2010, 11:47 AM

She's simply not one of the greatest horses of all time. I don't know why everyone feels the need to make her one. She's an excellent mare with an excellent record, and probably one of the best mares of all time going long on dirt and fake stuff. But, I can think of at least three other horses since 2005 that would have beaten her comfortably Saturday. . . and a few more on turf that blow her out of the water as far as pure ability.

RockHardTen1985 · #4 11-08-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

She's simply not one of the greatest horses of all time. I don't know why everyone feels the need to make her one. She's an excellent mare with an excellent record, and probably one of the best mares of all time going long on dirt and fake stuff. But, I can think of at least three other horses since 2005 that would have beaten her comfortably Saturday.

Please name the 3 that would beat her comfortably going 10f on dirt. Thanks.

slotdirt · #5 11-08-2010, 12:00 PM

If you take the Bloodhorse top 100 list of U.S. horses for the 1900's and extrapolate it to include the years 2000-2010, where does Zenyatta rank on that list?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-H...e_20th_Century

What other American horses from 2000 on would merit consideration? Ghostzapper? Rachel Alexandra? Tiznow?

Anyway, Swaps is 20th on that list. Could you place Zenyatta above Swaps? How about Phar Lap at 22nd? John Henry at 23rd? Ruffian at 35th? Busher at 40th? Personal Ensign at 48th? Twilight Tear at 59th? All Along at 68th?

WHere would she belong?

satan's twin · #6 11-08-2010, 01:01 PM

As someone who's first job was to rake horsesh*t out of stalls at Arlington when I was a 14 year old kid, I would have thought I would have moved on to better and more profitable vices by now. It didn't happen and I'm so thankful for it.

Along the way, while chasing the horses, I have met my best friends, taken some memorable road trips and have stored up a closet full of memories and laughs. I have gotten to see Secretariat run on a couple of occasions, watched Ruffian run the last strides of her life and have seen most all of the other champions since run once or twice. And on Saturday while in the grandstands I saw Zenyatta come down the stretch at Churchill Downs.

Is Zenyatta the greatest mare of all time? Doubtful.
Is she the Horse of the Year? Don't know and don't care.

But on Saturday for the second year in a row I saw her in person on racing's biggest stage in front of the game's largest audience run down the lane and stand the hair on the back of everyone's neck on end.

How do you measure greatest in a race horse? Don't know.
But I KNOW I saw it Saturday.

RockHardTen1985 · #7 11-08-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by satan's twin

As someone who's first job was to rake horsesh*t out of stalls at Arlington when I was a 14 year old kid, I would have thought I would have moved on to better and more profitable vices by now. It didn't happen and I'm so thankful for it.

Along the way, while chasing the horses, I have met my best friends, taken some memorable road trips and have stored up a closet full of memories and laughs. I have gotten to see Secretariat run on a couple of occasions, watched Ruffian run the last strides of her life and have seen most all of the other champions since run once or twice. And on Saturday while in the grandstands I saw Zenyatta come down the stretch at Churchill Downs.

Is Zenyatta the greatest mare of all time? Doubtful.
Is she the Horse of the Year? Don't know and don't care.

But on Saturday for the second year in a row I saw her in person on racing's biggest stage in front of the game's largest audience run down the lane and stand the hair on the back of everyone's neck on end.

How do you measure greatest in a race horse? Don't know.
But I KNOW I saw it Saturday.

Gread read, this gave me chills.

ateamstupid · #8 11-08-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Gread read, this gave me chills.

hockey2315 · #9 11-08-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Please name the 3 that would beat her comfortably going 10f on dirt. Thanks.

Curlin, Invasor, Bernardini.

RockHardTen1985 · #10 11-08-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Curlin, Invasor, Bernardini.

Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.

Sightseek · #11 11-08-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.

90/10

The Bid · #12 11-08-2010, 12:29 PM

If you don't like the entire game Cannon why train?

The Pagentry is part of it. That doesn't mean she wasnt a great mare, she was.

ateamstupid · #13 11-08-2010, 12:29 PM

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Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.

He didn't show up? Are you kidding me? But Zenyatta did? There's no way you believe the things you're writing.

RockHardTen1985 · #14 11-08-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He didn't show up? Are you kidding me? But Zenyatta did? There's no way you believe the things you're writing.

You know he is one of my favorite horses ever... I tryed coming back to DT one time as BernardiniGOAT...I was told it would cause an uproar. No excuse letting Invasor run you down.

hockey2315 · #15 11-08-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.

So you don't think either or all of them would have finished in front of Blame, or you don't think they would have finished in front of Blame because Zenyatta's little nosey was right there with his?

RockHardTen1985 · #16 11-08-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

So you don't think either or all of them would have finished in front of Blame, or you don't think they would have finished in front of Blame because Zenyatta's little nosey was right there with his?

I think it would all depend. Both had similar running styles. Curlins best was better then Blame, but Im not sure Invasor's was.