Dylan Thomas and Alexandrova to skip BC

#1 10-12-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Because Toner doesn't use Dr. Allday. Coincidence? I think not.

Fleet Indian is the phoniest drug job I have EVER seen. I hate this horse now that she's with Pletcher (and I normally root for ALL NYB's) and she's going to be TAP's ticket to a lengthy suspension. Horses don't just magically improve 15-20 lengths from 4 to 5... especially modestly talented fillies who went off at 9-1 in a NYB stake to close out the year.

Then why doesn't he hire him if you think that is the edge? Fleet Indian has gone to the test barn for her last 6 straight wins, or wahtever it is.....competitive edges, whereever they may be, is what sepeartes 25% trainers from 12% trainers...NOT using Toner in refernce here..just making a general point....why would you not use Dr. Allday if he could take an old NY-bred mare and have her win 4 or 5 straight graded stakes?

Kasept · #2 10-12-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Then why doesn't he hire him if you think that is the edge? Fleet Indian has gone to the test barn for her last 6 straight wins, or wahtever it is.....competitive edges, whereever they may be, is what sepeartes 25% trainers from 12% trainers...NOT using Toner in refernce here..just making a general point....why would you not use Dr. Allday if he could take an old NY-bred mare and have her win 4 or 5 straight graded stakes?

Steve Allday is not taking on new clients and hasn't been for a while..

philcski · #3 10-12-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Then why doesn't he hire him if you think that is the edge? Fleet Indian has gone to the test barn for her last 6 straight wins, or wahtever it is.....competitive edges, whereever they may be, is what sepeartes 25% trainers from 12% trainers...NOT using Toner in refernce here..just making a general point....why would you not use Dr. Allday if he could take an old NY-bred mare and have her win 4 or 5 straight graded stakes?

The "test barn" is a bunch of mularkey as far as im concerned. do you really think NYRA wouldn't "look the other way" if their most important trainer were a little over the limit on this way or that (especially considering things like the recent photo finish incident in indiana?) The thing that bugs me here is Pletcher has legitimately good horses like English Channel that DON'T need this crap, why risk your career on a horse like Fleet Indian when you already have half of the top 10 in the distaff division anyways??

Cannon Shell · #4 10-12-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

The "test barn" is a bunch of mularkey as far as im concerned. do you really think NYRA wouldn't "look the other way" if their most important trainer were a little over the limit on this way or that (especially considering things like the recent photo finish incident in indiana?) The thing that bugs me here is Pletcher has legitimately good horses like English Channel that DON'T need this crap, why risk your career on a horse like Fleet Indian when you already have half of the top 10 in the distaff division anyways??

NYRA doesn't do the testing, the NY racing and wagering board does. I am sure that the "look the other way" method has been used in NY but also in other states.
If you believe that Pletcher has an unfair advantage then why would he only use it on Fleet Indian? How do you know that English Channel is "legitimately good"? I dont understand your argument on this?
I could understand if you said that he has the most talented barn in the history of American horseracing and are disguisted because you feel he has an unfair advantage as well as the best horses. But to claim that you can tell which horses have been illegally enhanced and which ones haven't been, kind of demeans the whole crux of your argument.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #5 10-12-2006, 09:21 PM

good for them they have the best horses this year...im on the roll call no 2..as for them not racing dini after the bc ..who cares..hes earned a life of good living for performing well..i mean i dont want to see another funny cide deal....yes gelding blah blah blah...dini is a great horse and could continue to spank all the compitition ..and make money..so why not let him make money in the shed..its the same thing but he wont get injurys ..beating the same wanna bees over and over....and cannon shell...you da man..

philcski · #6 10-13-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

NYRA doesn't do the testing, the NY racing and wagering board does. I am sure that the "look the other way" method has been used in NY but also in other states.
If you believe that Pletcher has an unfair advantage then why would he only use it on Fleet Indian? How do you know that English Channel is "legitimately good"? I dont understand your argument on this?
I could understand if you said that he has the most talented barn in the history of American horseracing and are disguisted because you feel he has an unfair advantage as well as the best horses. But to claim that you can tell which horses have been illegally enhanced and which ones haven't been, kind of demeans the whole crux of your argument.

Fine, I'll state on public record I've been to his barn several times recently and played with basically all of his top beasts, you can tell immediately which ones have been "enhanced" based on (a) their demeanor and (b) their eyes.

On top of that, I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to determine that EC is (and was) a quality individual from the day he broke his maiden, while Fleet Indian has improved nearly 20 lengths from 4 to 5. That just does not happen to horses with established form...

Cannon Shell · #7 10-13-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Fine, I'll state on public record I've been to his barn several times recently and played with basically all of his top beasts, you can tell immediately which ones have been "enhanced" based on (a) their demeanor and (b) their eyes.

On top of that, I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to determine that EC is (and was) a quality individual from the day he broke his maiden, while Fleet Indian has improved nearly 20 lengths from 4 to 5. That just does not happen to horses with established form...

Ok, I'll bite. What is it about their demeanor or eyes that clues you in?

paisjpq · #8 10-13-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok, I'll bite. What is it about their demeanor or eyes that clues you in?

me too...I'd love to know how to tell an 'enhanced' horse from its eyes...

philcski · #9 10-13-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok, I'll bite. What is it about their demeanor or eyes that clues you in?

The spaced, unfocused, glossy look, like a human's eyes on drugs.

paisjpq · #10 10-13-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

The spaced, unfocused, glossy look, like a human's eyes on drugs.

sorry no way...I could show you a hundred horses that look that way...that have never seen a needle...or a racetrack for that matter

Cannon Shell · #11 10-13-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

The spaced, unfocused, glossy look, like a human's eyes on drugs.

This is getting better . So the illegal enhancement causes the animal to go into hypnotic state. Do they chant "be the horse. be the horse" and have the jockey snap their fingers right before they load them in the gate?