RacingPost reports 'Dini done after BC...

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

They are the enemies of racing.

This is just further confirmation. Only the breeders can defend them because they have made them staggeringly wealthy.

Pretty lame....makes me root against this horse and every horse they have.

The anti-Arab racing thing is getting old.

Why in the world is it worthy of your enmity that they move the colt to stud?

It's their horse, not yours, and if they feel it's right to retire him, so be it.

Criticize the decision all you want rationally, but why not leave the anti-Arab thing alone for a while?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

The anti-Arab racing thing is getting old.

Why in the world is it worthy of your enmity that they move the colt to stud?

It's their horse, not yours, and if they feel it's right to retire him, so be it.

Criticize the decision all you want rationally, but why not leave the anti-Arab thing alone for a while?

Find one " anti-arab " comment I have made before calling me a bigot you swine.

And my posts are objectionable?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

The anti-Arab racing thing is getting old.

Why in the world is it worthy of your enmity that they move the colt to stud?

It's their horse, not yours, and if they feel it's right to retire him, so be it.

Criticize the decision all you want rationally, but why not leave the anti-Arab thing alone for a while?

I am hardly anti-Arab, I am anti-despot however! Where do you think all that money used to buy horses comes from??? I have family in the region and lived with them for a time...you want to believe these folks are "good guys" try living under their rule for awhile! I am just as much against white, black or oriental despots!!

[JJP]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

The anti-Arab racing thing is getting old.

Why in the world is it worthy of your enmity that they move the colt to stud?

It's their horse, not yours, and if they feel it's right to retire him, so be it.

Criticize the decision all you want rationally, but why not leave the anti-Arab thing alone for a while?

That's ridiculous. They clearly are NOT sporting and are only in it to feed their massive egos. They are the ones who drive up the yearling prices by overpaying for the likes of TGM. I'll be hoping Bernardini finishes off the board in the Classic.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by JJP

That's ridiculous. They clearly are NOT sporting and are only in it to feed their massive egos. They are the ones who drive up the yearling prices by overpaying for the likes of TGM. I'll be hoping Bernardini finishes off the board in the Classic.

There is more to the Green Monkey story than what meets the eye...

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He can defend himself, but I don't think his problem is their nationality. He actually didn't say anything about their nationality. They have more or less been taking away from US racing by buying up a ton of horses, and taking them away. How much of that $57 million or however much they spent at Keeneland in horseflesh do you think we will be seeing here? If the past few years are any indication, very little.

So true.....Kick 'em out of Keeneland

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He can defend himself, but I don't think his problem is their nationality. He actually didn't say anything about their nationality. They have more or less been taking away from US racing by buying up a ton of horses, and taking them away. How much of that $57 million or however much they spent at Keeneland in horseflesh do you think we will be seeing here? If the past few years are any indication, very little.

I think we are going to see MANY from the sale racing here on US soil. Sheikh Maktoum is buying American-types in hopes of winning the American classics. An example is the colt Vindication/Serena's Tune.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here is what the initial piece of human filth said to me



in response to my posting



and then you post directed to the initial filth



But somehow you can't figure out why I have a problem with you?

Once again, I realize that perhaps you didn't mean to call me a racist, but you did, and your insistence that you didn't is preposterous.

The bottom line? Think about what you are posting before doing it if you are not willing to accept the consequences.

All I said was that I "kinda understand".
Clarify for me what "enemies of racing" means if you will.
I never called anyone "filth" for expressing their views.
All I've tried to say in my last three posts is that I really have no ax to grind with you.
If you have a problem with me...well, sad to say, that's YOUR problem.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

All I said was that I "kinda understand".
Clarify for me what "enemies of racing" means if you will.
I never called anyone "filth" for expressing their views.
All I've tried to say in my last three posts is that I really have no ax to grind with you.
If you have a problem with me...well, sad to say, that's YOUR problem.

" enemies of racing ", to me, would be people who act against the best interests of racing...which I feel Godolphin does overall. Yeah, they are exceedingly generous towards the breeders , but to the racing fan they continually deny us the pleasure we may get from seeing good horses run, at least in America.

As regards my " filth " references, that coward who called me a racist and thinks he ( or she ) is clever and doesn't apologize, or back up, his ( or her ) unfounded remarks is the very definition of filth.

Another hijacked thread....gotta love it!

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Another hijacked thread....gotta love it!

Cunningham Racing, are you related to Andrea Cunningham or her ex-husband Jim (Fifteen) Cunningham?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

" enemies of racing ", to me, would be people who act against the best interests of racing...which I feel Godolphin does overall. Yeah, they are exceedingly generous towards the breeders , but to the racing fan they continually deny us the pleasure we may get from seeing good horses run, at least in America.

As regards my " filth " references, that coward who called me a racist and thinks he ( or she ) is clever and doesn't apologize, or back up, his ( or her ) unfounded remarks is the very definition of filth.

Well, as far as Godolphin goes, yes...they've made some breeders very rich, and their egos take over at the sales. Just my humble opinion...but I hardly think they are enemies. For sure they'd love to have a Derby winner...that elusive goal they'd pay any price for.
And yes, racing fans aren't high on their agenda.
But think of this for a minute. They've poured many millions into the sport for whatever their reasons.
You know as well as I do that this game takes very deep pockets.
If they have them, own several farms, employ many to help them fulfill their dream...that's ok with me.
I also would love to see their best horses run longer. You might agree with me that the risk of putting one on the track for two minutes where the purse doesn't even come close to what it would bring by breeding is a business decision. I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just attempting to understand what their motivation is.

As far as the second part of your statement...I'm not commenting.
That's between you and someone besides me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well, as far as Godolphin goes, yes...they've made some breeders very rich, and their egos take over at the sales. Just my humble opinion...but I hardly think they are enemies. For sure they'd love to have a Derby winner...that elusive goal they'd pay any price for.
And yes, racing fans aren't high on their agenda.
But think of this for a minute. They've poured many millions into the sport for whatever their reasons.
You know as well as I do that this game takes very deep pockets.
If they have them, own several farms, employ many to help them fulfill their dream...that's ok with me.
I also would love to see their best horses run longer. You might agree with me that the risk of putting one on the track for two minutes where the purse doesn't even come close to what it would bring by breeding is a business decision. I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just attempting to understand what their motivation is.

As far as the second part of your statement...I'm not commenting.
That's between you and someone besides me.

It's their money and they can do with it as they choose ( as long as it's legal ) but I don't have to like what they do. I feel like they have a sort of " obligation " to us, the people that support racing and pay the bills, i.e. bettors, to give something back to us...and they don't. The only people they reward are the breeders, and without bettors the game would simply disappear, so their dream of winning the Derby certainly couldn't be realized, because if every better stopped tomorrow the racetracks would be shut down. There is a complete lack of acknowledgement of this by many people and none more so than Godolphin and their " do as we please " style.

Yes, they could run their horses against each other in Dubai, just as rich people could back to racing against each other on there farms, but somehow I am guessing the glory would be gone with no gamblers left to support the game as the world wide prestige and attention would disappear.

Far-fetched? Of course but I'm making a point. My point is there should be a symbiotic relationship with horse owners and racing fans and there simply isn't at least when it comes to Godolphin.

As far as the game taking " deep pockets ", no doubt, but the need for even deeper pockets has been caused very much by Godolphin. And just to be fair, I am no fan of Coolmore either, in fact I have even bigger problems with them which I simply can't get into. But, suffice to say, neither of these stables have made racing better for us racing fans in the grander scheme of things.

Just imagine if George Bush spent $56 million on horses at a sale.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Just imagine if George Bush spent $56 million on horses at a sale.

He would most certainly do at it at the annual dispersal of maiden claimers at Beulah.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's their money and they can do with it as they choose ( as long as it's legal ) but I don't have to like what they do. I feel like they have a sort of " obligation " to us, the people that support racing and pay the bills, i.e. bettors, to give something back to us...and they don't. The only people they reward are the breeders, and without bettors the game would simply disappear, so their dream of winning the Derby certainly couldn't be realized, because if every better stopped tomorrow the racetracks would be shut down. There is a complete lack of acknowledgement of this by many people and none more so than Godolphin and their " do as we please " style.

Yes, they could run their horses against each other in Dubai, just as rich people could back to racing against each other on there farms, but somehow I am guessing the glory would be gone with no gamblers left to support the game as the world wide prestige and attention would disappear.

Far-fetched? Of course but I'm making a point. My point is there should be a symbiotic relationship with horse owners and racing fans and there simply isn't at least when it comes to Godolphin.

As far as the game taking " deep pockets ", no doubt, but the need for even deeper pockets has been caused very much by Godolphin. And just to be fair, I am no fan of Coolmore either, in fact I have even bigger problems with them which I simply can't get into. But, suffice to say, neither of these stables have made racing better for us racing fans in the grander scheme of things.

Thanks for explaining your position.
I also agree that there needs to be a better relationship between owners and bettors. The bettors DO indeed grease the wheels of this sport. No debate there at all.
I can't wait for the day when one of my homebreds beats one of theirs by thirty lengths. Both stables you mentioned.
Sure makes it fun for me. Godolphin and Coolmore have their dreams...and so do I.
Isn't it great when the mighty are humbled?

I actually expected them to run him next year, I really screwed up in believing that would happen.
Money shouldn't mean that much to them that he has to be rushed off to stud now. I thought a guy who loved racing as much as Sheikh Mo would want to campaign him again at 4. I'm especially shocked that he made this decision before the BC has even been run. If he loses, I'd think he would want to run him again next year to attempt to accomplish that goal.
Its sad, but I guess between retirements and the gruel of the Tri Crown, our chances of seeing a deep older horse division in my lifetime are dim.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

" enemies of racing ", to me, would be people who act against the best interests of racing...which I feel Godolphin does overall. Yeah, they are exceedingly generous towards the breeders , but to the racing fan they continually deny us the pleasure we may get from seeing good horses run, at least in America.

As regards my " filth " references, that coward who called me a racist and thinks he ( or she ) is clever and doesn't apologize, or back up, his ( or her ) unfounded remarks is the very definition of filth.

Yeah, sure, ok. I'm sorry.

You've done this for a few weeks now. Thinly veiled, not so subtle. A few threads back, you talked about how you felt about their horses and managed to work HITLER into your comments. You went on to say that maybe you would feel better after your holiday passed.

Think what you want, though you obviously know that you are not the be-all and end-all of determining what/who is "Filth" and who is a coward, much less what the owners of a horse can or should do with him.

I am no coward.

I'm not very clever.

There is the "Backing Up" of my comments you demandeed.

Hope it satifies your requirements. If it doesn't, I apologize.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Yeah, sure, ok. I'm sorry.

You've done this for a few weeks now. Thinly veiled, not so subtle. A few threads back, you talked about how you felt about their horses and managed to work HITLER into your comments. You went on to say that maybe you would feel better after your holiday passed.

Think what you want, though you obviously know that you are not the be-all and end-all of determining what/who is "Filth" and who is a coward, much less what the owners of a horse can or should do with him.

I am no coward.

I'm not very clever.

There is the "Backing Up" of my comments you demandeed.

Hope it satifies your requirements. If it doesn't, I apologize.

I was wrong...you are beyond filth.

The references to Hitler, that you chose to bring up, were made by Joel ( Cunningham Racing ) in saying " I root for horses I like, I don't care if Hitler owned them " and I was responding to that. That is how I supposedly worked Hitler into the conversation.

You have SERIOUS issues in life. Believe it or not, there are reasons to dislike people besides their race or skin color ( As an example, I found you to be an abhorant individual long before I was alerted to you ethnicity. It aint racism....it's dislike generated by your actions ), and if you weren't so psychotic you would have seen from my ACTUAL comments that my problems with Godolphin stem from the way their racing stable is run. However, that would fly in the face of your insane insecurities and agenda and therefore you are not interested in truth.

[2MinsToPost]

I just brought home some ribs for dinner, with green beans with bacon and potato salad. Place is called City Barbeque.

What is everyone having?