Espoir City?

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Espoir City is now absolutely a toss for me.

He was 2nd by 3 at 1/10 last time out.

The horse who finished 3rd beaten 5 lengths in that race was sent off at odds of 635/1.

In his three prior start - said horse was beaten double digit lengths each time at odds of 325/1, 412/1, and 311/1 respectively.

Espoir City only has a single race under him since May 5th (KY Derby week) and that one performance sucked horridly. He has to now ship a long way - and take on American dirt horses ... I think he would key my bets if there was an exotic wager on who will finish last in the BC Classic.

I'd love to make an Espoir City-Paddy O' Prado exacta box for last place and second to last place. Perhaps toss in Morning Line or Etched to complete the trifecta of fail.

Thanks for the input!

--Dunbar

[Mike]

On February 22, 2009, Espoir City was a young 4 yo running in a Grade I (Japanese), breaking from post 12(and perhaps it's worth noting that Espoir City has won twice from posts 11 and 12; 4 victories on 4 different tracks), when he ran 4th of 16 horses, beaten one and a half lengths. Casino Drive was second , beaten by a neck.
Four months prior to this race, Casino Drive had finished an 12th in the Breeders Cup Classic.
One month after the Feb 22 race Casino Drive went on to finish a distant eighth to Well Armed in the Dubai World Cup one month later.

I'll toss Espoir City as Casino Drive seems the only good comparative tool than I've seen put forth, and he got whipped twice in the big ones

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Mike

On February 22, 2009, Espoir City was a young 4 yo running in a Grade I (Japanese), breaking from post 12(and perhaps it's worth noting that Espoir City has won twice from posts 11 and 12; 4 victories on 4 different tracks), when he ran 4th of 16 horses, beaten one and a half lengths. Casino Drive was second , beaten by a neck.
Four months prior to this race, Casino Drive had finished an 12th in the Breeders Cup Classic.
One month after the Feb 22 race Casino Drive went on to finish a distant eighth to Well Armed in the Dubai World Cup one month later.

I'll toss Espoir City as Casino Drive seems the only good comparative tool than I've seen put forth, and he got whipped twice in the big ones

Umm...ok. But he's a toss for me from the top 2 spots at least.

[Mike]

Ya' know, I gotta' go back on my thoughts, as I look at Tizway in the Dirt Mile, I see she was blown away by Espoir City in that race

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Mike

Ya' know, I gotta' go back on my thoughts, as I look at Tizway in the Dirt Mile, I see she was blown away by Espoir City in that race

Tizway is a he, and how many U.S. horses have run well in the Japan Cup?

[Mike]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Tizway is a he, and how many U.S. horses have run well in the Japan Cup?

I screwed up on gender
...and,tell me, is there a horrific US performance history in Japan ,altogether?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Mike

I screwed up on gender
...and,tell me, is there a horrific US performance history in Japan ,altogether?

Not many try it, but I can't remember any that have run particularly well. Japan is another planet in terms of racing.