Crist: Zenyatta needs to earn title on track

[Danzig]

if zenyatta deserves hoy should she win the classic, does that mean super saver deserves top three year old? he did win the derby, the biggest race for 3 yo colts...so i guess it's not even up for discussion.
it seems just a few years back, there was a lot of criticism of azeri getting hoy for her campaign-but zenyatta supposedly deserves to win this year regardless of what she does next saturday?!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if zenyatta deserves hoy should she win the classic, does that mean super saver deserves top three year old? he did win the derby, the biggest race for 3 yo colts...so i guess it's not even up for discussion.
it seems just a few years back, there was a lot of criticism of azeri getting hoy for her campaign-but zenyatta supposedly deserves to win this year regardless of what she does next saturday?!

NO YOU STUPID BECUZ SUPER SAVER LOST!!!!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Dahoss. This is a stupid post.

Someone implying if she wins the Classic its like super saver winning the Derby

I know you missed this post. Just like you missed all the others..

No, it's not. The Derby is the biggest race for three-year-olds, the Classic is the biggest race for elders. Try again.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

troll

Seriously tell me you are joking

Has anyone said Cat Thief deserved HOY off a Classic win?

Did anyone argue Giacomo was best three year old?

You're so stupid, it's unbelievable. What you're saying was exactly her point. That simply winning the Classic shouldn't be the hands down slam dunk qualification for Zenyatta winning HOY.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

The implication was she hadnt accomplished anything. And even if she did win the Classic that shouldnt mean HOY

"if Zenyatta deserves"...

And if you are saying that winning the Classic is not enough to win HOY you arent very bright

Why not make it clear though. If she wins Classic is she HOY?

Do like the name calling though

It's like talking to a really shoddily made brick wall.

If it's not the Classic that gets her HOY, what is it? Her breathtaking wins over Taptam, Rinterval and Switch?

I don't think she should be HOY if she wins the Classic. It's Horse of the Year, not Horse of the Race, and assuming she wins, other than the Classic, she's done nothing but narrowly beat tomato cans all season.

You still have no point, unfortunately. She'll take the trophy if she wins next Saturday. But 'one race shouldn't get her the award' isn't illogical or biased, sorry.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Okay we are getting somewhere.

Humor me. Lets say she wins the Classic. Which is something I think would shock us both.

Who should be HOY?

Super Saver

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Okay we are getting somewhere.

Humor me. Lets say she wins the Classic. Which is something I think would shock us both.

Who should be HOY?

I'd most likely give it to Quality Road or Blame. Each won and placed in multiple significant handicap races this year.

You still haven't shown me illogical or biased statements from "east coasters" that parallel the greatest horse/mare ever inanity.

And I've said all along that I wouldn't be shocked to see Zenyatta win the Classic. Flies in the face of my 'Zenyatta hater' label, but I don't try to figure that one out.

[DaTruth]

Now comes word that Zenyatta is ambitious. Not ambitiously placed, mind you, but ambitious.

"Now, we have Zenyatta, an ambitious mare who will try to remain unbeaten in 20 races, running against the boys next Saturday in the Breeders’ Cup Classic at Churchill Downs."

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ys-still-work/

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Actually you just made the case

By saying you would give HOY to someone other then Zenyetta should she win the Classic.

if QR an Blame are better they will beat her. Which I expect to happen. But if it doesnt ridiculous to argue they should win over her since we need to go by what actually happened on the track. You wouldnt by chance be an Easy Goer fan would you?

Once again: IT IS HORSE OF THE YEAR, NOT HORSE OF THE RACE. Zenyatta being better than Quality Road and Blame on one particular day should not negate their far superior campaigns the rest of the year. It would, but it shouldn't.

This ain't the NCAA Tournament, it's not single-elimination. It's more like the MVP, something Zenyatta most certainly hasn't been this season.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Then just do away with the Breeders Cup then. If the races are so meaningless.

If those horses are superior shouldnt they win easily?

Dont you see you have it set up so that you cant lose? Thats what I mean by east coast bias.

if she wins there is no backing down. Its still faint praise and no HOY. But if she loses I can only imagine the outcry.

Reminds me of the Easy Goer fans

Canard Alert!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Then just do away with the Breeders Cup then. If the races are so meaningless.

If those horses are superior shouldnt they win easily?

Dont you see you have it set up so that you cant lose? Thats what I mean by east coast bias.

if she wins there is no backing down. Its still faint praise and no HOY. But if she loses I can only imagine the outcry.

Reminds me of the Easy Goer fans

So wait, because Breeders' Cup winners aren't ironclad locks to win their division's award, the BC is meaningless? Just stop it.

I can't lose? What are you talking about? I don't think her campaign has been HOY worthy, Classic win or no. That's illogical and biased? It's realistic.

I think she's terrific, regardless of what happens next Saturday. I've said all along that her winning would make me sad, not because I don't want her to win, but because it would prove that she really could've been a total beast if they'd challenged her once in a while.

The award, as it's defined, should not be about who wins the Breeders' Cup. It should not even be about who the 'best' horse is. It should be about who accomplished the most throughout the year. No matter what way you try to spin it, regardless of what happens at Churchill, that isn't Zenyatta in 2010.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by HomerS

troll

Seriously tell me you are joking

Has anyone said Cat Thief deserved HOY off a Classic win?

Did anyone argue Giacomo was best three year old?

nope, which makes one wonder why zenyatta deserves it based on a classic win-her races this year to date don't deserve hoy contention.

again, like i said before, this thread began because shirreffs averred that zenyatta deserved hoy even without a classic win. it's debatable with a win, should she get it. but without? absolutely not. but i guess all that, as well as my analogy, went over your head.