Poly speed disaster at keeneland

Originally Posted by Revolution

Your act with the poly comments is getting old. If you don't like it, don't bet it. Not their problem.

Here is a question for you. How many horses have broken down so far? None.

Oh REALLY? And you know this how? Apparently up at Woodbine quite a few have, and its the same surface you mope. Ask Noble Stella how she likes it. Game mare doesn't miss a dance in years, runs often and hits hard. She works on poly and bang, shes gone. But I'm sure you have a canned response ready for that huh?

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Oh REALLY? And you know this how? Apparently up at Woodbine quite a few have, and its the same surface you mope. Ask Noble Stella how she likes it. Game mare doesn't miss a dance in years, runs often and hits hard. She works on poly and bang, shes gone. But I'm sure you have a canned response ready for that huh?

its a freak injury, Polytrack is racings savior

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Oh REALLY? And you know this how? Apparently up at Woodbine quite a few have, and its the same surface you mope. Ask Noble Stella how she likes it. Game mare doesn't miss a dance in years, runs often and hits hard. She works on poly and bang, shes gone. But I'm sure you have a canned response ready for that huh?

You are so biased it is pointless to argue. Quite a few broke down at Del Mar and Saratoga this summer. I put the quality of horses at Keeneland in the same category, and I have read none have broken down. I didn't even have to read about Saratoga and Del Mar. They broke down in races. Stick to facts. Real ones. Not the ones in Oracleland.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Revolution

You are so biased it is pointless to argue. Quite a few broke down at Del Mar and Saratoga this summer. I put the quality of horses at Keeneland in the same category, and I have read none have broken down. I didn't even have to read about Saratoga and Del Mar. They broke down in races. Stick to facts. Real ones. Not the ones in Oracleland.

yeah no kidding

My two cents is that ALL horses with very few exceptions enjoy polytrack. Some will perform better on dirt or turf, but the surface really is kind on their joints. I know of no trainers that do not agree.

Round Pen Casse is pure horseman and a straight shooter.

Sumitas: indeed. Poly reduces kickback which is a weapon for frontrunners.

Revolution: Good for you. Oracle's prattle is ubiquitous and often with little merit. Witness his post that the horse entered in todays fourth is a speedball, therefore cannot win..........the race is two turns!

JJp I have found at Ky Downs over the years that after having raced there,
horses are really legged up due to the deep course and those horses have performed well theiir next starts. Poly will be similar. Good cappin. BBB

Originally Posted by Revolution

You are so biased it is pointless to argue. Quite a few broke down at Del Mar and Saratoga this summer. I put the quality of horses at Keeneland in the same category, and I have read none have broken down. I didn't even have to read about Saratoga and Del Mar. They broke down in races. Stick to facts. Real ones. Not the ones in Oracleland.

Well thats just swell. Then again at most major tracks in a 4 day sample you wont get breakdowns either, but there I go using common sense again. Sorry about that, I don't wanna frighten you or anything.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well thats just swell. Then again at most major tracks in a 4 day sample you wont get breakdowns either, but there I go using common sense again. Sorry about that, I don't wanna frighten you or anything.

Facts are facts. Fewer horses breakdown on poly. Turfway Park illustrated this and now Keeneland has had nothing but one breakdown on the turf. That is it.

I for one am glad to see horses can come off the pace and win. It is more exciting than watching a horse break to the lead and never look back. That is why turf racing is much better than dirt racing too.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Any guess as to when the first Breeders' Cup will be held on Polytrack? What about Santa Anita in 2008 or 2009? Since it last held the Cup in 2003 -- I was there and loved 90 degree temps in late October -- it might be in the running to host again relatively soon.

Hopefully soon. We then will get plenty of europeans and horses from other parts of the world.

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

OMG! A track bias!

Isn't this something handicappers should be at least somewhat excited to see? It is a clear advantage to those paying attention. For example, how long did the strong speed bias at Keeneland last during the spring? Make use of this info while you can as these things come and go all the time, at lots of tracks, over lots of different surfaces.

Also, just because you don't like a particular surface, or what have you, doesn't mean you should totally forget some basics of the racing game.





Steven Davidowitz, Betting Thoroughbreds 25, 37 (2d rev. ed. 1997)

And even though it wasn't oracle's intent, those of us who can't pay as close attention should actually thank him for this info. So, in that spirit, "Thank you!" Seriously, please feel free to share as much information like this you can - it is very much appreciated (by me, at least).

Baba,
I really think that this thread was informative to people. You'd be surprised how many folks don't realize whats going on.
I just had a trainer friend of mine in NY call me. He wanted to tell me that in the 4th race today at Keeneland he heard that a firster trained by a guy that he shares a common owner with(they sometimes trade horses back and forth for the guy so he knows him well) could fly and to bet him.
I thanked hium but told him under no circumstances to bet the horse because he shows fast workouts and will likely have to make the lead to win. My friend the trainer didn't understand why that would be bad. I explained about the 29 poly races and only one wire job by a 3-5 shot who was taking a triple drop in class and was life and death to narrowly win. He was stunned. He hadn't been paying attention to it that closely down there and had no idea how bad speed was. He thanked me for stopping him from bettiing barn's payroll on the horse. And no he wasn't kidding.