BC Moves: Awesome Gem to Marathon; Tropic Storm to D/Mile

hockey2315 · #1 10-21-2010, 10:26 AM

He has had atrocious trips in his last two and would have a shot at a giant price in the turf sprint.

NTamm1215 · #2 10-21-2010, 10:37 AM

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He has had atrocious trips in his last two and would have a shot at a giant price in the turf sprint.

I liked him at Kee because he worked against the race in both of the Saratoga tries, I wouldn't really characterize the 2nd loss to Awakino Cat as an atrocious trip. Chamberlain Bridge is going to be very tough off of that trip at Keeneland.

Kasept · #3 10-21-2010, 10:59 AM

Scott Lake said on ATR Thursday that Pashito the Che would run in the Sprint if he can make the field. Lake owns an enviable BC Sprint record running 2nd at 49-1 with Thunderello in 2002 (Orientate) at Arlington and 3rd with Shake You Down in 2003 (Cajun Beat) at Santa Anita.

randallscott35 · #4 10-21-2010, 11:00 AM

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Scott Lake said on ATR Thursday that Pashito the Che would run in the Sprint if he can make the field. Lake owns an enviable BC Sprint record running 2nd at 49-1 with Thunderello in 2002 (Orientate) at Arlington and 3rd with Shake You Down in 2003 (Cajun Beat) at Santa Anita.

Super Test be damned.

tjfla · #5 10-21-2010, 11:11 AM

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Scott Lake said on ATR Thursday that Pashito the Che would run in the Sprint if he can make the field. Lake owns an enviable BC Sprint record running 2nd at 49-1 with Thunderello in 2002 (Orientate) at Arlington and 3rd with Shake You Down in 2003 (Cajun Beat) at Santa Anita.

Maybe we will see 2 or 3 of the Sprinters try the Dirt Mile? Right now we got about 18 horses definite to 90%,which means 4 of them are out. The Dirt Mile still has 2 or 3 spots till it is full

Kasept · #6 10-21-2010, 11:01 AM

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I liked him at Kee because he worked against the race in both of the Saratoga tries, I wouldn't really characterize the 2nd loss to Awakino Cat as an atrocious trip. Chamberlain Bridge is going to be very tough off of that trip at Keeneland.

Central City is a horse I fear and know I'll use in the Turf Sprint...

NTamm1215 · #7 10-21-2010, 11:05 AM

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Central City is a horse I fear and know I'll use in the Turf Sprint...

He ran a very nice race at Keeneland and his effort in the Turf Sprint stake on Oaks day might have been the best of all of them.

The thing is Dubb owns Stradivinsky who is going to be entered solely to burn up the speed and set the table for Silver Timber.

RockHardTen1985 · #8 10-21-2010, 11:06 AM

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He ran a very nice race at Keeneland and his effort in the Turf Sprint stake on Oaks day might have been the best of all of them.

The thing is Dubb owns Stradivinsky who is going to be entered solely to burn up the speed and set the table for Silver Timber.

Are you saying Stradivinsky cant win?

hockey2315 · #9 10-21-2010, 11:09 AM

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I liked him at Kee because he worked against the race in both of the Saratoga tries, I wouldn't really characterize the 2nd loss to Awakino Cat as an atrocious trip. Chamberlain Bridge is going to be very tough off of that trip at Keeneland.

When he battled through a :21.26 opening quarter and still almost won?

RockHardTen1985 · #10 10-21-2010, 11:09 AM

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When he battled through a :21.26 opening quarter and still almost won?

Thats really not that fast at Toga. Its actually about average for those races.

hockey2315 · #11 10-21-2010, 11:14 AM

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Thats really not that fast at Toga. Its actually about average for those races.

Ya totally - so is a :43.46 half.

The fractions in the Troy were :22.11 and :44.71.

hockey2315 · #12 10-21-2010, 11:15 AM

I actually think Grand Adventure is the best horse in the turf sprint now that the filly isn't going. . . Not sure how he'll like 5f though.

The Indomitable DrugS · #13 10-21-2010, 11:13 AM

I never could have imagined that people would be seriously breaking down a five furlong turf sprint race like a week before it's drawn.

NTamm1215 · #14 10-21-2010, 11:15 AM

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When he battled through a :21.26 opening quarter and still almost won?

25k claimers went 21.37 in the first race that day and the horse that set the pace finished a clear second. You know how firm the turf was that weekend. His effort in the Troy was much more impressive.

I could agree with the argument that he was given a poor ride at Keeneland because his jockey decided to take away his most valuable weapon, which is speed.

Scav · #15 10-21-2010, 11:17 AM

I know it was said somewhere, but when are they releasing the Pre-Entries?

tjfla · #16 10-21-2010, 11:19 AM

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I know it was said somewhere, but when are they releasing the Pre-Entries?

Gotta be in by the 25th. So prolly that night

Scav · #17 10-21-2010, 11:28 AM

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Gotta be in by the 25th. So prolly that night

Oh, I thought I read where Catalano pre-entered his fillies, but he must just be doing it early.

If they gotta be in by the 25th, then they won't release them till later in the week after they go through a bunch of paperwork and finalize everything.

Thank you for the info.

hockey2315 · #18 10-21-2010, 11:22 AM

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25k claimers went 21.37 in the first race that day and the horse that set the pace finished a clear second. You know how firm the turf was that weekend. His effort in the Troy was much more impressive.

I could agree with the argument that he was given a poor ride at Keeneland because his jockey decided to take away his most valuable weapon, which is speed.

He battled head-to-head with the Pletcher thing all the way around. Obviously the wise guy outlook would be to say that he was running on a crazy-fast speed-favoring course and therefore the performance wasn't as impressive. I'm not buying that - all you have to do is watch the race to realize it was a very big run with things against him.

NTamm1215 · #19 10-21-2010, 11:36 AM

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He battled head-to-head with the Pletcher thing all the way around. Obviously the wise guy outlook would be to say that he was running on a crazy-fast speed-favoring course and therefore the performance wasn't as impressive. I'm not buying that - all you have to do is watch the race to realize it was a very big run with things against him.

I think you're seriously overrating it but we can agree to disagree. The Troy was a better effort and made him a very good play in the closing day race.

The Indomitable DrugS · #20 10-21-2010, 11:28 AM

Here's my early take for the Turf Sprint...

* Five furlongs is a lot different than 6.5 furlongs like the first two editions. Spell binding take right there, I know.

* Eliminate all the horses who simply aren't very good in relation to the field

* Eliminate all the horses who's best races have come beyond 6fs on turf or on another surface

* Throwout the two or three horses that bettors will inevitably gravitate to.

* That should whittle you down to about four or so horses for multi-wins.

I generally love to single in turf races (unless I happen to hate all the short priced horses) because the tendency of the crowd seems to be to spread in these races. Especially on BC day, where you have a regional mix of locals and multiple foreign shippers.

It's a lot simpler when the edition of the Turf Sprint is at 6.5 furlongs ... my strategy last year was to simply take just two horses .. the horse I deemed the best early speed horse .. and the horse who I deemed the best closer .. and basically hope the race would be run to an extreme .. and it was .. and Cal Flag wired them. That would be a stupid strategy at 5fs though.