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ateamstupid · #1 10-19-2010, 02:20 AM

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I'd love to know how anyone thinks that Proviso is suddenly going to sprout wings as that's the only way Proviso beats Goldikova or Paco Boy in the Mile. Proviso is a decent sort but she's been beating up on weaklings here in the US as well as horses who are past their prime, and on top of that she's doing it with perfect trip after perfect trip.

JerseyJ · #2 10-19-2010, 10:09 AM

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It ain't rocket science...just a perusal of her past performances make me wonder how good she really is. The best race she ever ran from a racing post standpoint was her second career start as a 2YO in winning the Prix du Calvados with a 113 RPR, and she's never got another RPR higher than a 112 since then so she never really moved forward from her 2YO form. She never beat a real horse of significance in Europe as well.

Is someone really that impressed with a win in the Kilroe over Fluke and Battle of Hastings? A win in The Just a Game over Phola and My Princess Jess? A win in the Diana over Shared Account and an over the hill Forever Together? A win in the First Lady against C.S. Silk and Gotta Have Her (although GHH is a nice mare but not really a miler, more of a sprinter)? She's an ok horse but she's going to have to seriously find some real improvement to beat Goldikova and Paco Boy, and an amount that I am not sure a 5YO mare can have in her.

Dahoss · #3 10-19-2010, 11:01 AM

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Besides PG, who thinks she has a shot in the Mile?

NTamm1215 · #4 10-19-2010, 11:30 AM

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Besides PG, who thinks she has a shot in the Mile?

I can't wait to bet Paco Boy. He's 0-3 against Goldikova but the possibility of a fast pace and firmer turf course could be the equalizer.

Indian Charlie · #5 10-19-2010, 11:50 AM

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I can't wait to bet Paco Boy. He's 0-3 against Goldikova but the possibility of a fast pace and firmer turf course could be the equalizer.

All turf courses in Europe are firm.

Arletta · #6 10-19-2010, 05:42 PM

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All turf courses in Europe are firm.

They are?

ateamstupid · #7 10-19-2010, 03:54 PM

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I can't wait to bet Paco Boy. He's 0-3 against Goldikova but the possibility of a fast pace and firmer turf course could be the equalizer.

Any guess as to what the Kova/Paco and Paco/Kova exactas pay? I know it's always risky banking on multiple shippers, but they're so much better than everyone else if I can get $15-$16 it might be a box worth making IMO.

hockey2315 · #8 10-19-2010, 03:56 PM

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Any guess as to what the Kova/Paco and Paco/Kova exactas pay? I know it's always risky banking on multiple shippers, but they're so much better than everyone else if I can get $15-$16 it might be a box worth making IMO.

You think 3-1 is really fair odds there?

brockguy · #9 10-19-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Any guess as to what the Kova/Paco and Paco/Kova exactas pay? I know it's always risky banking on multiple shippers, but they're so much better than everyone else if I can get $15-$16 it might be a box worth making IMO.

I have been thinking about this and was just gonna ask what ballpark figure you would put it at?

I know you said somewhere else you cant see him being much higher than 5-1 but if Proviso and GioPonti also go, I can see him being 4th favourite at best and being double digits. He is available at 7-1 over here right now.

hockey2315 · #10 10-19-2010, 04:03 PM

Goldikova is better than Paco Boy - do we really think the possibly firmer turf is going to make a difference. If someone beats her, it'll probably be Sidney's Candy or Gio (barring some up and coming Euro).

NTamm1215 · #11 10-19-2010, 04:07 PM

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Goldikova is better than Paco Boy - do we really think the possibly firmer turf is going to make a difference. If someone beats her, it'll probably be Sidney's Candy or Gio (barring some up and coming Euro).

The pace is going to make a difference. I'm not saying it's going to hinder her at all, but I think a fast pace is going to help him and it's not like miles are separating the two of them.

jms62 · #12 10-19-2010, 04:34 PM

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Goldikova is better than Paco Boy - do we really think the possibly firmer turf is going to make a difference. If someone beats her, it'll probably be Sidney's Candy or Gio (barring some up and coming Euro).

Don't you make a living betting the "Other Euro"

jms62 · #13 10-19-2010, 04:33 PM

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Any guess as to what the Kova/Paco and Paco/Kova exactas pay? I know it's always risky banking on multiple shippers, but they're so much better than everyone else if I can get $15-$16 it might be a box worth making IMO.

You will take 16 bucks in a 10-12 horse field?

ateamstupid · #14 10-19-2010, 11:51 PM

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You think 3-1 is really fair odds there?

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You will take 16 bucks in a 10-12 horse field?

Yep. They're on another planet from Gio Ponti and Sidney's Candy. Judging by your responses, I'll probably do better than $16, which answers my question.

RockHardTen1985 · #15 10-20-2010, 08:24 AM

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Yep. They're on another planet from Gio Ponti and Sidney's Candy. Judging by your responses, I'll probably do better than $16, which answers my question.

I dont see how Gio Ponti has a chance, is he going to outkick Gold, Paco, and Proviso? Sidneys Candy is dangerous, what if he totally freaks again, hes the only horse who can still move way up.

JerseyJ · #16 10-20-2010, 10:30 AM

Is this how low we have sunk to actually thinking that our mediocre turf horses have any chance to beat top class European horses on the grass?

Come on, Gio Ponti? He's a neat horse and he's good for an American turf horse but how good is he really...he sure seems to find ways to lose races he should win.

Proviso, seriously? We already went over this. She couldn't get close to Goldikova in Europe and needed to come run against our average turf/synthetic females to start to win. She's really not that good.

And finally, Sidney's Candy. If there's a favorite and likely horse to finish last in the Mile this one is it. He's yet to face even average turf horses let alone true world class quality Milers. He may have the lead early but as soon as the class horses run him down watch him plummet to the back of the pack. If there's one thing I'm confident of in the Mile, it's this horse has zero chance to hit the board, let alone win.

cakes44 · #17 10-20-2010, 10:45 AM

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Is this how low we have sunk to actually thinking that our mediocre turf horses have any chance to beat top class European horses on the grass?

Miesque's Approval?
Singletary?
Intercontinental?
Better Talk Now?

I'm not saying US horses are a force to be reckoned with on the turf, but these things happen.

randallscott35 · #18 10-20-2010, 10:47 AM

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Miesque's Approval?
Singletary?
Incontinental?
Better Talk Now?

I'm not saying US horses are a force to be reckoned with on the turf, but these things happen.

Miesque's Approval...nothing like that Wolfson magic!

Thunder Gulch · #19 10-20-2010, 01:43 PM

Before anyone starts tossing Goldlikova, please note she keyed a $6,600 superfecta last year while going off at 7-5. Sure she can lose and Paco Boy has been close twice and will be 4x the price, but I believe I'd rather spread it deep underneath again and hope some US runners fire.

hockey2315 · #20 10-27-2010, 11:35 AM

Anybody else having trouble accessing the PPs in Formulator?