Brisbet take on Bernie

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Cardus

The worthwhile BRISNET figures are the pace ratings, not the final speed rating. Those numbers give an indication of a horse's speed throughout the race. It's conceivable that a horse with a past higher speed rating than another might be distributing his energy in such a way that he is not superior to the so-called slower horse, given a race's pace scenario.

And the Beyer numbers have become ridiculous. I love them, for people cling to them.

The Sheets trump Beyer's numbers every day of the week.

First off, the sheets SHOULD trump Beyer's figs, considering the cost. And I would agree their grass numbers do. But the Sheets and T-Graph have their own issues; taking into account weight and wind but leaving out far more important variables such as pace and bias. A horse running in the 4 path on a dead rail/good outside track gets extra credit due to ground loss, when in fact they are getting an ideal trip.

As for Bris, I've heard a very neutral observer, Jerry Brown, state that those were the most worthless figs of all.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JJP

As for Bris, I've heard a very neutral observer, Jerry Brown, state that those were the most worthless figs of all.

I happen to agree with Jerry on this point ( and with you on yours )....but how could he possibly be considered a " neutral observer " in this discussion?

[JJP]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I happen to agree with Jerry on this point ( and with you on yours )....but how could he possibly be considered a " neutral observer " in this discussion?

I should clarify, he was talking specifically about Bris and Beyer figs. I guess maybe he isn't totally neutral, but I don't think he had any motive to say one was better than the other.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I happen to agree with Jerry on this point ( and with you on yours )....but how could he possibly be considered a " neutral observer " in this discussion?

Utmost respect for JB, but why should he worry himself with the value of somebody else's pace figures when he doesn't believe in pace as a relevant factor in handicapping.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Utmost respect for JB, but why should he worry himself with the value of somebody else's pace figures when he doesn't believe in pace as a relevant factor in handicapping.

He wasn't referring to their pace figures. He was referring to their final number as compared to Beyer numbers.