Brother Derek

TitanSooner · #1 10-10-2006, 11:35 PM

It's free money in the Malibu, San Fernando, and Strub for Brother Derek. Good thing you don't get paid for respect. Ask Doug O'Neill

pdrift1 · #2 10-10-2006, 11:36 PM

hes coming back off a long layoff you gotta give him a chance

repent · #3 10-12-2006, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1

hes coming back off a long layoff you gotta give him a chance

why?
b/c he looked so good getting his as* kicked by another Cal bred that is going to be in the same race?

this is a horse that lost the freaking El Cajon or something stakes.
horses like Bob and John and Da Stoops beat him that race.

there is some precedent for a late developing 3YO Cal bred to win the BCC.
but thats not what this is.
he is a front runner that is successful against bad 3Yo horses when there is no other pace in the race.

I completely hate ppl like Randy Moss who b*tched endlessly about the bad trips he got in the KY Derby and the Preakness.
at some point, you have to stop blaming the circumstances and look at the horse.
I thought horses with speed were supposed to be able to avoid bad trips?
I thought that was the big inherent advatage in American dirt racing that speed gave you?

yet this horse always has an excuse as to why he cant win outside of Santa Anita racecourse.

just like I have asked with the Tin Man.
Please bet him.
bet him with everything you have.
b/c his Breeders Cup experience will be the same as it was last year when he tried the big time at Belmont Park.
NO CHANCE.

Repent

pdrift1 · #4 10-12-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by repent

why?
b/c he looked so good getting his as* kicked by another Cal bred that is going to be in the same race?

this is a horse that lost the freaking El Cajon or something stakes.
horses like Bob and John and Da Stoops beat him that race.

there is some precedent for a late developing 3YO Cal bred to win the BCC.
but thats not what this is.
he is a front runner that is successful against bad 3Yo horses when there is no other pace in the race.

I completely hate ppl like Randy Moss who b*tched endlessly about the bad trips he got in the KY Derby and the Preakness.
at some point, you have to stop blaming the circumstances and look at the horse.
I thought horses with speed were supposed to be able to avoid bad trips?
I thought that was the big inherent advatage in American dirt racing that speed gave you?

yet this horse always has an excuse as to why he cant win outside of Santa Anita racecourse.

just like I have asked with the Tin Man.
Please bet him.
bet him with everything you have.
b/c his Breeders Cup experience will be the same as it was last year when he tried the big time at Belmont Park.
NO CHANCE.

repent my statement was not alluding to him winning the classic ever, it was that this horse came out of the el cajun horrible and i knew he was better then that race and he proved it with a better run race in the goodwood, and feel he has stakes capabilities out west, thats all

Repent

repent my statement was not alluding to him winning the classic ever, it was that this horse came out of the el cajun horrible and i knew he was better then that race and he proved it with a better run race in the goodwood, and feel he has stakes capabilities out west, thats all. and yes speed should put you up front in most races but not absolute when you brake from the 19 hole for christs sakes along with all the bumping he endured

dr. fager · #5 10-12-2006, 11:20 AM

for what it's worth...he was nominated for the Ok. Derby on Oct. 20th....I'd much rather see him here. (off espn)

King Glorious · #6 10-12-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dr. fager

for what it's worth...he was nominated for the Ok. Derby on Oct. 20th....I'd much rather see him here. (off espn)

I don't think that means anything. I think that was just a trainer doing what he's supposed to do and nominating for everything with a good purse that he's eligible for. I'd bet 1/9 against seeing him there.

#7 10-10-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

San Fernando and Strub I'll give you, but the Malibu is a tricky race. He is clearly better around two turns, and you usually get some pretty sprinters in the Malibu.

No such thing as free money. You never know what will happen in a race.

TitanSooner · #8 10-10-2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Really, I didn't know that. No sh*t no such thing as free money, and I wasn't the one who originally said it. My point is he was clearly the top 3 year old in the west last winter, and with the exception of the horse that beat him at Delmar, whose name escapes me, I haven't seen a 3 year old who will be able to run with him in those races next year. It's not like those races get a lot of horses shipping in.

You thinking of Arson Squad?

pdrift1 · #9 10-10-2006, 11:54 PM

only 2 horses in the classic division out west better the bd- lava and surf- the rest bd can run away from

#10 10-10-2006, 11:55 PM

Isnt there some high priced horse out there that just broke his maiden like last month? I cant think of the horses name. You also have to remember that BD is going to have to race on a synthetic surface. I wonder if that it going to play into the plans at all. Who knows if they will keep him out west.

#11 10-11-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why is he going to have to run on the synthetic surface? Isn't the Cal Cup at Santa Anita? ANd the Strub Series is at Santa Anita as well.

When does Santa Anita have to switch to a different surface?

#12 10-11-2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

When does Santa Anita have to switch to a different surface?

I thought they were making the move after Oak Tree.

pdrift1 · #13 10-11-2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

When does Santa Anita have to switch to a different surface?

begin 2008

#14 10-11-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1

begin 2008

Thanks. Then he wont have to worry about it. I thought they were going to do it after Oak Tree this year.

pdrift1 · #15 10-11-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I know they have to by 2008, but I hadn't heard any definite plans. Anyone know?

im guessing it would only make sense after santa anitas winter/spring meet in the summer before next years oak tree

TitanSooner · #16 10-10-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

San Fernando and Strub I'll give you, but the Malibu is a tricky race. He is clearly better around two turns, and you usually get some pretty sprinters in the Malibu.

good point.. specialty distance

#17 10-10-2006, 11:46 PM

I think BD needs to shut it down and let him rest and develop or run him in some lesser races to keep him focused.

#18 10-10-2006, 11:48 PM

The horse was overhyped before the derby. No doubt about it.

#19 10-11-2006, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

The horse was overhyped before the derby. No doubt about it.

The horse ran a great Derby and was beat to sh it. Good Lord was he in the 19 or 20 hole... Jeez louise. And he should not have run in the Preakness. This guy is gonna come back and bite you if he is handled right and stays sound.

#20 10-11-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

The horse ran a great Derby and was beat to sh it. Good Lord was he in the 19 or 20 hole... Jeez louise. And he should not have run in the Preakness. This guy is gonna come back and bite you if he is handled right and stays sound.

That race took alot out of him and i'm not sure he'll ever be back to the form he was during his derby prep campaign.
He's not going to bite me if the connections keep putting him in races that our over his head. The logical thing to do is keep him at Santa Anita where he seems to run quite well.