breeder juvy jinx?????

GenuineRisk · #1 10-10-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

oh no, not again. not the bc juvie curse again.

i think it's an odds thing. i wonder how many years they ran the champagne before that winner won the derby... it's just odds, that's all. odds of getting to the derby with a three year old, let alone winning it--what, 40,000-1? it'll happen, just like odds are eventually pletcher will win a classic, or that another filly will win the derby. but if it doesn't happen, it's not because of a 'jinx'. it's just racing.
it's not like the derby and preakness winner fails to win the t.c. because of a jinx. it's just the way it is.

Danzig, you just HAD to say that-- don't you know you can't dangle a useless trivia question in front of me like that! I have to google it; I can't help it! It's a sickness, I know! Aggggghhhhhh! Googlegooglegooglegoogle....

Anyway, here is the best I could find on Champagne/Derby winners:

Champagne began in 1867, Derby in 1875, so we start in 1874/1875 (Champagne/Derby).

First dual winner I could find was Ben Brush in 1896/1897, so that's 22 years.
Next was Count Fleet in 1942/1943, so that's 46 years.
Next was Riva Ridge in 1971/1972, 24 years.
Then in quick succession, Foolish Pleasure, Seattle Slew and Spectacular Bid (Secretariat came in first, but was disqualified)
After that, Sea Hero in 1992/1993

And that's it. Seven winners (eight with Big Red), FOUR (five) of which were in one decade.

If I'm wrong, please correct me. It's easy to find Derby winners, but I can't find a complete list of Champagne winners.

(Personally, I think the "curse" is that the odds of a horse being the best both in the fall of his 2-year-old year and the spring of his 3-year-old year are pretty small, since they change so much so fast. Not to mention there are a lot more foals born now than then, so there's also more competition.)

Danzig · #2 10-10-2006, 07:18 PM

well, at least i gave you something to keep you busy and out of trouble!

#3 10-10-2006, 07:59 PM

The only jinx I believe in is the tried and proven Seattleallstar jinx. No juvy jinx at all.

#4 10-10-2006, 10:12 PM

I dont believe in Jinx's. It is a long time between the BCJ and the KY Derby.

Merlinsky · #5 10-11-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

It's easy to find Derby winners, but I can't find a complete list of Champagne winners.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...eld=view&id=83

This should do it for ya.

GenuineRisk · #6 10-11-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...eld=view&id=83

This should do it for ya.

Thank you! So one can add Plaudit (1897/1898) an Azra (1891/1892) to the list of dual winners. Nine winners, three in once decade (the 1890's) and four in another (the 1970's).