Weekend Stakes Beyers

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Your using dirt logic to critic figures on a surface were figures mean nothing........WHY?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Your using dirt logic to critic figures on a surface were figures mean nothing........WHY?

If you think figures mean nothing on a synthetic surface - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

In truth, they certainly mean a whole lot more on synthetic than turf - and at face value, like most people take them - they mean a whole lot more on synthetic than dirt as well.

I have a lot of experience handicapping and betting on races on synthetic tracks - you're not talking to someone during year one of Keeneland polytrack when no one had any idea what to make of it.

Mikey Smith!! Yay!!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you think figures mean nothing on a synthetic surface - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

In truth, they certainly mean a whole lot more on synthetic than turf - and at face value, like most people take them - they mean a whole lot more on synthetic than dirt as well.

I have a lot of experience handicapping and betting on races on synthetic tracks - you're not talking to someone during year one of Keeneland polytrack when no one had any idea what to make of it.

Mikey Smith!! Yay!!

Go wash some socks.

[miraja2]

Do you think the inflation is merely the result of the Beyer people being aware that others perceive them as anti-Zenyatta? Are they inflating the figs simply to avoid being criticized for supposedly having an agenda against her?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Do you think the inflation is merely the result of the Beyer people being aware that others perceive them as anti-Zenyatta? Are they inflating the figs simply to avoid being criticized for supposedly having an agenda against her?

I don't know.

Perhaps they're embarassed to give her a number as low as she earned.

If she somehow wins the BC Classic off of 95 Beyers it might make them look bad to people whom they shouldn't even be worrying about.

[Indian Charlie]

I think there seems to be an effort being made by those in the media, to make Zenyatta into this all time great.

Between the totally brainless stuff written up by Davidowitz, and I think Haskin, to the pure blabber coming out of the talking heads at TVG, to the hyped up BCC call by Denman, and supposedly experienced and otherwise fairly intelligent 'insiders' saying she's go great, it just seems like there is a lot of effort going on to make us believe she's the second coming of Secretariat.

I mean really, all this stuff is just total nonsense. I've never seen so many people lose their heads over something that really isn't nearly as great as they seem to think.

It's all rather UN - BE - LIEVE - A -BLE!!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

People like nice win-loss records.

Remember Sports Illustrated including Pepper's Pride in the 20 best horses to race last decade?

She wasn't even close to being one of the 2,000 best horses last decade - but her win/loss record was perfect.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I think there seems to be an effort being made by those in the media, to make Zenyatta into this all time great.

Between the totally brainless stuff written up by Davidowitz, and I think Haskin, to the pure blabber coming out of the talking heads at TVG, to the hyped up BCC call by Denman, and supposedly experienced and otherwise fairly intelligent 'insiders' saying she's go great, it just seems like there is a lot of effort going on to make us believe she's the second coming of Secretariat.

I mean really, all this stuff is just total nonsense. I've never seen so many people lose their heads over something that really isn't nearly as great as they seem to think.

It's all rather UN - BE - LIEVE - A -BLE!!

She is 19 for 19 and there is nothing about that to indicate TOTAL NONSENSE. Last year heading into the BC, I was supportive of RA for horse of the year, no doubt. Coming out of the BC Classic, I wasn't so clear on the subject, though after watching RA lay her guts on the line at Saratoga, in person, and really never seeing anything like that live (with the crowd and all) I was still an RA supporter.

This year, after being "retired", Zenatta's accomplishements, though to this point against competition that is not as talented as what RA faced last year, is remarkable in its own right. Who has accomplised more than she has in her lifetime? In the fashion that she does it? Against the level of compettiton that she does it against? Over and over and over? She has won me over, and besides all of the non-sense on TVG and the other folks that are overcompensating for their belief that Z was shafted last year, why is there so much hate for what is going on with her? Is there some other horse that would otherwise be considered an "all-time great" if Z wasn't in the picture?