BEYER: Defining Zenyatta's historical role

2Hot4TV · #1 10-03-2010, 08:14 AM

The only way Zenyatta loses her next race is if Arguabley runs and I havent seen him, but every body says that "Arguabley is the best race horse on dirt".

dalakhani · #2 10-03-2010, 09:11 AM

Surely, even her most ardent fans would agree that padding stats in the name of keeping "the streak" alive was a whole lot more important to the Zencamp than making history the old fashioned way and leaving no doubts. If you are truly a fan, as I consider myself, I think she was robbed in that sense.

The problem I have with Beyer's article is that his agenda is clear and it takes away from some really good points that he makes. A "curiosity"? Come on.

Zenyatta's detractors should admit that at times they can be just as ridiculous about denigrating the mare's relative merits as her supporters are about pumping them up. There are some big holes in her resume in regards to her being one of the best of all time. AGREED. But a "curiosity" that owes much of her success to polytrack?

Indian Charlie · #3 10-03-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

The only way Zenyatta loses her next race is if Arguabley runs and I havent seen him, but every body says that "Arguabley is the best race horse on dirt".

Who????

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 10-03-2010, 11:26 AM

What's kind of amusing - is that all of Zenyatta's Beyer figures this year have been unquestionably inflated.

I'm not talking 1 or 2 points - more like 4 to 8. You've got races where everything behind her is running a new lifetime top and thats what it takes to get her to 100.

I've never seen anything like it.

Port Conway Lane · #5 10-03-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What's kind of amusing - is that all of Zenyatta's Beyer figures this year have been unquestionably inflated.

I'm not talking 1 or 2 points - more like 4 to 8. You've got races where everything behind her is running a new lifetime top and thats what it takes to get her to 100.

I've never seen anything like it.

To be more accurate the entire field in the Santa Margarita ran a new beyer top except for the last place finisher and Switch ran a new top. Other than that no horse she has run against has been given a top lifetime figure.

NTamm1215 · #6 10-03-2010, 11:52 AM

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To be more accurate the entire field in the Santa Margarita ran a new beyer top except for the last place finisher and Switch ran a new top. Other than that no horse she has run against has been given a top lifetime figure.

Rinterval got a lifetime top for the Hirsch.

Port Conway Lane · #7 10-03-2010, 11:53 AM

thx, that is correct.

Port Conway Lane · #8 10-03-2010, 11:55 AM

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Rinterval got a lifetime top for the Hirsch.

So if the beyers are accurate the last two fillies who finished second to her ran the race of their lives.

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 10-03-2010, 11:58 AM

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To be more accurate the entire field in the Santa Margarita ran a new beyer top except for the last place finisher and Switch ran a new top. Other than that no horse she has run against has been given a top lifetime figure.

Just from her last race at Del Mar - Rinterval and Princess Taylor both were.

St. Trinians broke into the side of the gate - got a horrid ride - lost a shoe - and still equalled her lifetime top - which was a race like 5 back.

Gio Ponti hasn't come within 9 or 10 points of his BC Classic fig this year.

Obviously - none of that has anything to do with her figures being inflated. There are other routes on these cards.

Port Conway Lane · #10 10-03-2010, 12:05 PM

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Just from her last race at Del Mar - Rinterval and Princess Taylor both were.

St. Trinians broke into the side of the gate - got a horrid ride - lost a shoe - and still equalled her lifetime top - which was a race like 5 back.

Gio Ponti hasn't come within 9 or 10 points of his BC Classic fig this year.

Obviously - none of that has anything to do with her figures being inflated. There are other routes on these cards.

Sry, missed Princess Taylor too. Gio Ponti has nothing to do with this years races. St. Trinians is another example of a horse who finished second to her and supposedly ran the race of her life.

hockey2315 · #11 10-03-2010, 12:14 PM

Maybe a little bit of her greatness just rubs off on everyone around her.

2Hot4TV · #12 10-03-2010, 11:43 AM

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Who????

I forgot that " Unquestionably " could come up big also. I haven't seen him run, but I hear that " Unquestionably is the best horse.

Unquestionably and Arguabley are the only one's that Zenyatta has to fear all the rest have to come and get her in the Classic. OOOHHHH on dirt, the only surface that she wins with day light between her rivals.

2Hot4TV · #13 10-03-2010, 11:44 AM

Beyer's has tried to beat her every way he can and even yesterday he was at Hollywood Park and failed again.

NTamm1215 · #14 10-03-2010, 11:46 AM

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Beyer has tried to beat her every way he can and even yesterday he was at Hollywood Park and failed again.

Right and big f*ing deal if he's wrong. It happens.

The Indomitable DrugS · #15 10-03-2010, 11:51 AM

He bet against her yesterday?

St. Trinians is the only horse she's faced all year who isn't a complete joke - and anyone with any sense knows St. Trinians was the better horse that day.

miraja2 · #16 10-03-2010, 03:17 PM

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St. Trinians is the only horse she's faced all year who isn't a complete joke - and anyone with any sense knows St. Trinians was the better horse that day.

I agree with your overall point, but I think the Baffert filly who ran second yesterday is actually pretty decent.