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Old 10-10-2006, 01:03 PM
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I really don't either, but I'm sure there would have been a ton of criticisms on here if Gomez did it. Gomez did the same thing on Happy ticket, and was almost put over the rail, and there was a thread on here about same jock, same mistake. has to be consistent, if you're going to criticize one for it, have to do the other.
Big difference here Da Hoss, at least in my mind. Prado also got beat with Quickfire who was tons the best a week ago at Belmont. But like Happy and Frost, when a jock rides a horse the proper way(meaning running style) I don't scream when they get shut off and checked. I don't blame Gomez for Happy at all. His only chance was to try and get through that hole, he didn't have enough horse to win any other way. He gave everyone who bet on her the best shot he could. You can't control a bunch of 1000 pound animals being in your way.
What you can control are stupid tactical decisions that NOONE IS FORCING YOU TO MAKE!!!
Ok Hoss, if you need to see pp's I can email em to you for that race yesterday, and if you need a race replay you can get it off the NYtb website.
Now you watch that race and look at the pp's and you get on here and look me in the eye and tell me that horror show wasn't anything but his stupid fault to CHOOSE to do the increibly stupid things he did.
Thats the difference. I'm fair. Happy wasn't his fault at all, he gave you the best shot he could. You don't ever hear me screaming about a guy getting blocked and checked. Thats gonna happen a lot, its noones fault. Stupid cognitive moves burn me up. You watch and read and you tell me what exactly you think he was doing out there ok? You need the pp's?
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:16 PM
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I've seen the race, it looks to me like he wanted no part of being on the pace. The horse broke on top, he took back, came with a good run, but couldn't get past the chalk winner. The horse had the entire stretch to get by, but Castellano looked like he had it measured well. It just gets to be a little ridiculous hearing about every little mistake he may or not ne making. We hear little about his good rides, and very little about other jocks "bad " rides. How about Prado's ride on Round Pond. Why be on the lead there? There were a few speeds lined up, and the horse isn't a need the lead type. Something was obviously wrong with her that day, but why be up on the lead. And I know there is no way to defend his ride on Pulpiteer a few weeks back. As bad or worse as I have seen this year. Take a peek at that one and tell me what you think.
Pulpiteer was blocked with nowhere to go.
lets get back to Gomez' ride, although I'm sure you would rather not and already have seen it.
Wanted no part of the pace huh? Funny that she stalked the pac in her debut when HE RODE HER!! and she rolled. Last time out at Calder she was trapped on a very dead rail and cut a wicked 1/4.
The pace yesterday was moderate with a freerunning loose horse. he had perfect position and for no reason in a 6F race decided to stand up and wrangle her back, and then forced to go very wide. Why do you figure this mental midget decided that a horse with a tactical speed edge on the filed who had broken sharply and had assumed perfect position needed to do that?
Get back to me when you have any idea, because I sure as hell don't.
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:25 PM
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I don't know how he or anyone thinks, do you? Possible the trainer wanted to be off the pace? I don't know, but I just find it humorous that you can pick that ride apart, but no mention of Pulpiteer. The Pulpiteer ride was AWFUL. But not too much said about it. Gotta be consistent. I tend to think that had Gomez been on the horse we would have read a few long winded posts about the ride. Look, I just think it gets tiresome. The guy can't be as bad as you make him, and every move he makes you pick apart. little to no mention of any other jockey.
I haven't bashed one of hs rides since Milwaukee and Fourtynine below at the Spa. If you really wanna be precise.
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:30 PM
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It is just amusing. A mere sentence for the horror trip that was Pulpiteer's last race, and how many posts have you made about Gomez? Where was the Pulpiteer thread? Oh wait it was Prado, so none.
Prado, who I have always loved, has developed a dangerous fascination with the rail, on the turf especially, and it has cost him more than a few times.
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:19 PM
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I've seen the race, it looks to me like he wanted no part of being on the pace. The horse broke on top, he took back, came with a good run, but couldn't get past the chalk winner. The horse had the entire stretch to get by, but Castellano looked like he had it measured well. It just gets to be a little ridiculous hearing about every little mistake he may or not ne making. We hear little about his good rides, and very little about other jocks "bad " rides. How about Prado's ride on Round Pond. Why be on the lead there? There were a few speeds lined up, and the horse isn't a need the lead type. Something was obviously wrong with her that day, but why be up on the lead. And I know there is no way to defend his ride on Pulpiteer a few weeks back. As bad or worse as I have seen this year. Take a peek at that one and tell me what you think.
"measured"? "chalk"? The winner was slightly favored and life and death to hold on after a perfect trip while the runnerup was wrangled, checked, and swung 4 wide against her preferred runnning style. Do you honestly think she wasn't tons the best? If she was beatn 3 lengths than maybe I say she wasn't best, but please. It was one of the dumbest rides I ever saw, and you just haveto shake yourhead when he pulls those incedibly stupid moves. Hes still got some Jekyll and Hyde in him.
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:29 PM
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Gomez gives many more good rides than bad rides, and is a top rider, but his ride on the Violette horse in yesterday's third was comical at best and suspect at worst. I would like to think the stewards called him infor that atrocity though I'm sure they didn't even notice.
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:31 PM
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Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:43 PM
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Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.
Cajun, you seem like a very knowledgable horse race fan, thats why you baffle me in that you can question the racing integrity of a brilliant horse like Bernardini, and on the flip side actually think a hanging, cheating, gutless horse like Perfect Drift actually has a chance to win the Classic.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:53 PM
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Cajun, you seem like a very knowledgable horse race fan, thats why you baffle me in that you can question the racing integrity of a brilliant horse like Bernardini, and on the flip side actually think a hanging, cheating, gutless horse like Perfect Drift actually has a chance to win the Classic.
At least he beat Mineshaft once upon a time, and ran PP to a neck, as well as Roses in May.
Whose Bernadini beaten? Who actually finished the race that is.
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:27 PM
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At least he beat Mineshaft once upon a time, and ran PP to a neck, as well as Roses in May.
Whose Bernadini beaten? Who actually finished the race that is.
Oh come on, Mineshaft lost because of his horrid ride. Bernardini has only beaten what has been entered against him, thats not his fault. I don't think Perfect Drift will be a challenge in the least, unless he gets in his way on the way back to the winners circle.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:53 PM
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Cajun, you seem like a very knowledgable horse race fan, thats why you baffle me in that you can question the racing integrity of a brilliant horse like Bernardini, and on the flip side actually think a hanging, cheating, gutless horse like Perfect Drift actually has a chance to win the Classic.
Perfect Drift has started more times than Bernardini has taken a shiat. He's also raced against tougher competition... he may hang, but if he DOESN'T hang in the BCC this time around, you will be the one eating crow.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:57 PM
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Ok thats it, I just can't take it anymore. I have admired Bernadini, but this last post on here has put me over the edge. The Bern fans are just too much. Please let him lose on BC day. This has to end.
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:30 PM
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Perfect Drift has started more times than Bernardini has taken a shiat. He's also raced against tougher competition... he may hang, but if he DOESN'T hang in the BCC this time around, you will be the one eating crow.
Okay, I say the only way Perfect Drift beats him in the Classic is if Bernardini's gate doesn't open. I really don't care how many times he's started, he's a lot older. It's what they make of their starts that excites me, Perfect Drift would come in second in a 35,000 claimer.
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Old 10-10-2006, 07:00 PM
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Perfect Drift has started more times than Bernardini has taken a shiat.
ok...this is my nominee for post of the week!
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:38 PM
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Durkin said she was "wrangled back"...bullsh*t....looked like Ric Flair had her in some kind of Full Nelson headlock.

and this is coming from the guy that is still trying to figure out what Prado was thinking on Round Pond...no wait....he wasn't thinking at all.
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:53 PM
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Durkin said she was "wrangled back"...bullsh*t....looked like Ric Flair had her in some kind of Full Nelson headlock.

and this is coming from the guy that is still trying to figure out what Prado was thinking on Round Pond...no wait....he wasn't thinking at all.
LOL!!!
yeah kev that was hysterical, wrangled back. It was like even Durkin wanted to yell what the **** are you doing Gomez?
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:55 PM
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Durkin said she was "wrangled back"...bullsh*t....looked like Ric Flair had her in some kind of Full Nelson headlock.

and this is coming from the guy that is still trying to figure out what Prado was thinking on Round Pond...no wait....he wasn't thinking at all.
Prado may not have given his best ride there, but he didn't do anything to completely destroy all chance she had. She ran well, and may have been closer to the top two out wasn't going to beat them Kev.
I'm still trying to figure out if Fleet Indian was that brave, or if Balleto simply refuses to pass anyone a la Perfect Drift.
tell you one thing though, the key bet on BC Day is to key Belleto underneath in gimmicks.
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Old 10-10-2006, 06:53 PM
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Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.

how can garret gomez be extremely inconsistent with as many races as he wins? your description of garret actually fits kent d alot better! i got no problem whatsoever with garret ridin the drift who i of course will be rooting for again but id actually like to see tha guid back aboard! pat day is retired but im sure hed have no prob makin weight, howbout 1 last ride on the big boy even tho he butchered him here in the hawthorne goldcup when freefourinternet won it
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Old 10-11-2006, 02:02 AM
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Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.

Inconsistent? He is the leading rider in the country. How "inconsistent" could he possibly be and wouldnt we all love to be that "inconsistent"?
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:37 PM
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Can you define extremely inconsistent? How is he extremely inconsistent?
IMO, he's either riding fantastic or he's riding like horseshiat. When he's on, he's spectacular, but when he's off... watch out. JMO.

I tend to agree with Mike on Gomez for the most part, although I don't normally rant about it to the extent that he does. I've got nothing against the guy, but I do see a lot of inconsistency in his rides.
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