Gomez to ride Perfect Drift in Classic

Originally Posted by tycharles01

Mike, say you got a horse in the BC and u got 3 choices for jock who u take??

1 Gomez
2 The Little French Bastard
3 Crackhead you find on the corner in Louisville before your trip to the track

If you are referring to Pval in number three, I would take 3 any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
By the way to the guys who contend I'm wrong about Gomez still giving nightmarish rides that deserve having a car battery hooked up to his testicles that guys like Johnny, Edgar and Pval don't, I refer you to the 3rd race at belmont yesterday where he gave a ride that a 10 pound bug would have been ashamed of. Breaks well with the speed of the race dropping out of an open comonay stakes race, wrangles back hard after a 1/4 mile for no reason at all, gets in traffic, grabs some more, and ends up 4 wide spotting them lengths turning for home beaten a neck. It was just as disgusting an effort as you will ever see. For all his talent and great rides hes still so prone to completely unexplainable lapses in judgement out there.
You can put the 2Yo NY bred filly Graeme Central in your bet back list next out. This one was really dumb.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by oracle80

If you are referring to Pval in number three, I would take 3 any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
By the way to the guys who contend I'm wrong about Gomez still giving nightmarish rides that deserve having a car battery hooked up to his testicles that guys like Johnny, Edgar and Pval don't, I refer you to the 3rd race at belmont yesterday where he gave a ride that a 10 pound bug would have been ashamed of. Breaks well with the speed of the race dropping out of an open comonay stakes race, wrangles back hard after a 1/4 mile for no reason at all, gets in traffic, grabs some more, and ends up 4 wide spotting them lengths turning for home beaten a neck. It was just as disgusting an effort as you will ever see. For all his talent and great rides hes still so prone to completely unexplainable lapses in judgement out there.
You can put the 2Yo NY bred filly Graeme Central in your bet back list next out. This one was really dumb.

It is just criminal that Russell Baze will not be riding in the BC

[repent]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

It is just criminal that Russell Baze will not be riding in the BC

lmao.
yeah, about as criminal as Joy Scott not being there.

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[Seattleallstar]

i got no problem with Prado's ride on Giant, dems the breaks in turf racing. He saved ground but no daylight opened up. Better than running wide the whole way then being fanned wide in the stretch

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I really don't either, but I'm sure there would have been a ton of criticisms on here if Gomez did it. Gomez did the same thing on Happy ticket, and was almost put over the rail, and there was a thread on here about same jock, same mistake. has to be consistent, if you're going to criticize one for it, have to do the other.

Big difference here Da Hoss, at least in my mind. Prado also got beat with Quickfire who was tons the best a week ago at Belmont. But like Happy and Frost, when a jock rides a horse the proper way(meaning running style) I don't scream when they get shut off and checked. I don't blame Gomez for Happy at all. His only chance was to try and get through that hole, he didn't have enough horse to win any other way. He gave everyone who bet on her the best shot he could. You can't control a bunch of 1000 pound animals being in your way.
What you can control are stupid tactical decisions that NOONE IS FORCING YOU TO MAKE!!!
Ok Hoss, if you need to see pp's I can email em to you for that race yesterday, and if you need a race replay you can get it off the NYtb website.
Now you watch that race and look at the pp's and you get on here and look me in the eye and tell me that horror show wasn't anything but his stupid fault to CHOOSE to do the increibly stupid things he did.
Thats the difference. I'm fair. Happy wasn't his fault at all, he gave you the best shot he could. You don't ever hear me screaming about a guy getting blocked and checked. Thats gonna happen a lot, its noones fault. Stupid cognitive moves burn me up. You watch and read and you tell me what exactly you think he was doing out there ok? You need the pp's?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've seen the race, it looks to me like he wanted no part of being on the pace. The horse broke on top, he took back, came with a good run, but couldn't get past the chalk winner. The horse had the entire stretch to get by, but Castellano looked like he had it measured well. It just gets to be a little ridiculous hearing about every little mistake he may or not ne making. We hear little about his good rides, and very little about other jocks "bad " rides. How about Prado's ride on Round Pond. Why be on the lead there? There were a few speeds lined up, and the horse isn't a need the lead type. Something was obviously wrong with her that day, but why be up on the lead. And I know there is no way to defend his ride on Pulpiteer a few weeks back. As bad or worse as I have seen this year. Take a peek at that one and tell me what you think.

Pulpiteer was blocked with nowhere to go.
lets get back to Gomez' ride, although I'm sure you would rather not and already have seen it.
Wanted no part of the pace huh? Funny that she stalked the pac in her debut when HE RODE HER!! and she rolled. Last time out at Calder she was trapped on a very dead rail and cut a wicked 1/4.
The pace yesterday was moderate with a freerunning loose horse. he had perfect position and for no reason in a 6F race decided to stand up and wrangle her back, and then forced to go very wide. Why do you figure this mental midget decided that a horse with a tactical speed edge on the filed who had broken sharply and had assumed perfect position needed to do that?
Get back to me when you have any idea, because I sure as hell don't.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know how he or anyone thinks, do you? Possible the trainer wanted to be off the pace? I don't know, but I just find it humorous that you can pick that ride apart, but no mention of Pulpiteer. The Pulpiteer ride was AWFUL. But not too much said about it. Gotta be consistent. I tend to think that had Gomez been on the horse we would have read a few long winded posts about the ride. Look, I just think it gets tiresome. The guy can't be as bad as you make him, and every move he makes you pick apart. little to no mention of any other jockey.

I haven't bashed one of hs rides since Milwaukee and Fourtynine below at the Spa. If you really wanna be precise.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It is just amusing. A mere sentence for the horror trip that was Pulpiteer's last race, and how many posts have you made about Gomez? Where was the Pulpiteer thread? Oh wait it was Prado, so none.

Prado, who I have always loved, has developed a dangerous fascination with the rail, on the turf especially, and it has cost him more than a few times.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've seen the race, it looks to me like he wanted no part of being on the pace. The horse broke on top, he took back, came with a good run, but couldn't get past the chalk winner. The horse had the entire stretch to get by, but Castellano looked like he had it measured well. It just gets to be a little ridiculous hearing about every little mistake he may or not ne making. We hear little about his good rides, and very little about other jocks "bad " rides. How about Prado's ride on Round Pond. Why be on the lead there? There were a few speeds lined up, and the horse isn't a need the lead type. Something was obviously wrong with her that day, but why be up on the lead. And I know there is no way to defend his ride on Pulpiteer a few weeks back. As bad or worse as I have seen this year. Take a peek at that one and tell me what you think.

"measured"? "chalk"? The winner was slightly favored and life and death to hold on after a perfect trip while the runnerup was wrangled, checked, and swung 4 wide against her preferred runnning style. Do you honestly think she wasn't tons the best? If she was beatn 3 lengths than maybe I say she wasn't best, but please. It was one of the dumbest rides I ever saw, and you just haveto shake yourhead when he pulls those incedibly stupid moves. Hes still got some Jekyll and Hyde in him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Gomez gives many more good rides than bad rides, and is a top rider, but his ride on the Violette horse in yesterday's third was comical at best and suspect at worst. I would like to think the stewards called him infor that atrocity though I'm sure they didn't even notice.

[Cajungator26]

Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.

Cajun, you seem like a very knowledgable horse race fan, thats why you baffle me in that you can question the racing integrity of a brilliant horse like Bernardini, and on the flip side actually think a hanging, cheating, gutless horse like Perfect Drift actually has a chance to win the Classic.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.

how can garret gomez be extremely inconsistent with as many races as he wins? your description of garret actually fits kent d alot better! i got no problem whatsoever with garret ridin the drift who i of course will be rooting for again but id actually like to see tha guid back aboard! pat day is retired but im sure hed have no prob makin weight, howbout 1 last ride on the big boy even tho he butchered him here in the hawthorne goldcup when freefourinternet won it

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win.

Inconsistent? He is the leading rider in the country. How "inconsistent" could he possibly be and wouldnt we all love to be that "inconsistent"?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Can you define extremely inconsistent? How is he extremely inconsistent?

IMO, he's either riding fantastic or he's riding like horseshiat. When he's on, he's spectacular, but when he's off... watch out. JMO.

I tend to agree with Mike on Gomez for the most part, although I don't normally rant about it to the extent that he does. I've got nothing against the guy, but I do see a lot of inconsistency in his rides.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Can you define extremely inconsistent? How is he extremely inconsistent?

So you figure that Blackthroat and I had the same exact conclusion about the race, even though we certainly haven't chatted about it anywhere, and that we both drew the same conclusion two hundred miles apart while watching the same race and consider my gripe unreasonable?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Gomez gives many more good rides than bad rides, and is a top rider, but his ride on the Violette horse in yesterday's third was comical at best and suspect at worst. I would like to think the stewards called him infor that atrocity though I'm sure they didn't even notice.

Thank You. I wanted to ask if you had seen it and figured you had.
I haven't seen such a disgrace in a long time. And the stewards should definitely have a chat with him about his intentions. It was either a stiff or incredibly stupid, even beyond that.
No way could anyone have done what he did ON PURPOSE without just being completely clueless, or very much with a clue.
Ok Da Hoss? I'm not picking on him here, it was that bad and your failure tonote this tells me you are either president of his fan club or didnt actually see the race. It was embarssing to watch, it was THAT bad.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

One of the dumbest you've ever seen? Come on, ever seen? My point is you never criticize anyone other than him. There has to be other jocks giving "bad" rides. Where is the criticism of them?

Hoss,
I see lots of dumb rides, but most by jocks not worth mentioning because you expect them to give their share of them.
I'm not the only one who notices the vaporlock his brain experiences at times.
You didn't hear me picking apart Happy Ticket and I explained why.
This guy is real unique. Hes considered upper echelon and of the few guys in the upper echelon none comes close to occasionally giving mindboggling stupid rides like he does.
Again, I'm not painting him out to be awful on a whole, but if you are still trying to deflect away from my point about that ride, and even worse attempting to defend it, than I would suggest that its you, not I, who is biased.
Lots of sharp race watchers on this board, and i haven't spoken to anyone about that ride off the board. I'm willing to bet that anyone who chimes in about that ride who saw it, will paint it in a much more negative way than you have. It was an abomination.
Its frustrating not ever knowing when hes gonna take a mental vacation. That ride was indeed just horrendous. And anyone who handicapped the race and saw the race will say the same thing.
Criticizing certain rides, is not a total condemnation of a jockey as a whole. But hes definitely most prone to complete disasters that come out of nowhere.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thats fine, I will agree he gives his fair share of bad ones, but I think there are many out there who do it as well. I understand your point of him being in the upper echelon, and it is well made. His ride on Aussie rules was very good, and the day before he rode a Clement horse whose name escapes me equally as well. I just think that the guy certainly gives more good than bad and horses run for the guy. Your points are well taken, and I didn't want to get into a big thing with you. I just think sometimes the guy gets a bad rap, when many riders are forgotten in terms of their mental lapses.

No way does anyone in the upper echelon ever do something like he did yesterday, never. That was absolutely inexcusable and he should be called in. Did you really see the race?

Man I will tell you one thing though, hes a strong little bastard isn't he?
Imagine having the strength to grab one with that much speed that hard so as to take her from first to last in a 23:1 quarter?
I'm not kidding, he must be strong as an ox in order to have done that.