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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

And Randy Moss is the definition of misfit.

A misfit is someone that can't fit into their surroundings.

He wanted out of Minny because the old owner Red McCombs was notoriously the cheapest bastard in the NFL. The Vikings were the only team in the NFL who were way under the salary cap. He paid Moss and Culpepper and no one else. The Vikings - in 2003 - actually let the time expire on their first round pick because they wanted to sign him for less money.

Do you get how cheap that is? We don't want to pay the guy we want top 10 money - so we'll let the clock run out and have other teams race to the podium to get their picks in ahead of us... and we'll take our guy several picks later so we can sign him for less.

That team was going nowhere because they had the worst defense in football. McCombs gave Moss his trade wish but sold the team a few months later.

Moss wanted out of Oakland because the offensive line couldn't block anyone. He could have stayed and made $11 million in 2007 - instead he ripped up the contract to get out and played for less than half of that with the Pats. The reason more teams didn't want him - is because they didn't want to pay him $11 million - he was only going to shred the contract to play in a good situation.

Calling him a misfit for getting out of two horrible situations in Minny and Oakland is silly. He paid the price for leaving Oakland. He should have just stayed in Minny though and waited that cheap scumbag Red McCombs out.

[Dahoss]

What about all of the other stuff? Wouldn't that make him a misfit?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Vikings - in 2003 - actually let the time expire on their first round pick because they wanted to sign him for less money.

Do you get how cheap that is? We don't want to pay the guy we want top 10 money - so we'll let the clock run out and have other teams race to the podium to get their picks in ahead of us... and we'll take our guy several picks later so we can sign him for less.

What? They tried to trade down and ran out of time because they waited too long to secure a trade. It wasn't because they were cheap. Teams trade down in the draft all the time.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? They tried to trade down and ran out of time because they waited too long to secure a trade. It wasn't because they were cheap. Teams trade down in the draft all the time.

That was the explanation they gave. That they wanted to trade down to get him - but when they couldn't get a deal the clock expired and a few other teams got picks in.

You can't spit in your fans face. How many other times in NFL Draft history has the 15 minute clock expired on a team in the first round? I'm going to guess none.

Red McCombs was the cheapest owner in history - and they still sold the dome out every single game during his time as Vikings owner. He was the true cancer on that team. Who were his big free agent signings? None.

[ateamstupid]

OK, so it was Red McCombs' cheapness that forced Moss to get high and run over a traffic cop. Thanks for clearing that up.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

OK, so it was Red McCombs' cheapness that forced Moss to get high and run over a traffic cop. Thanks for clearing that up.

Big deal. He wasn't ever even suspended for that incident.

Moss is ancient - and he's missed a grand total of six games his entire career. In those six games without him - his teams have gone 1-5. Three of those six games were in Oakland - how did the Raiders offense do without Moss? They failed to score a single TD in those three games and lost all of them in blowout fashion. Yeah, that was a well oiled machine right there.

As for McCombs ... he made more money off of Moss than Moss ever made off of him. I think he bought the Vikes for 200 million in '98 and sold them for like 600 million after his final year in Minny.

This pretty much says it all about Red .....

During McCombs' run, the Vikings have sold out every home game and made the playoffs four times in seven seasons -- twice advancing to the NFC championship game. But his popularity waned, especially when he talked about moving the team to Los Angeles.

Frustrated by the lack of revenue from a new stadium, McCombs cut costs whenever he could. The Vikings were well under the salary cap this season and have one of the lowest-paid coaching staffs in the league.

If Moss stayed - Red probably wouldn't have sold the team and just kept on pulling his BS.

[Dahoss]

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince here. Who denies Moss is great? But he's a misfit. Nothing wrong with that, but why deny it?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince here. Who denies Moss is great? But he's a misfit. Nothing wrong with that, but why deny it?

Come on Hussy...greatest ass evah?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince here. Who denies Moss is great? But he's a misfit. Nothing wrong with that, but why deny it?

You don't think he's fit in well in New England?

He's been at an age where most players at his position see their productivity fade ... and yet no player in NFL history has caught more TD's in a 3 year span at any time in history than he has in his first three years in New England - and in one of those years .. he had Matt Cassell playing 16 games.

Cassel is a check down guy - and Moss basically transformed into an outside possession reciever that year and the team went 11-5.

Any smart person in his position in Minny and Oakland would have also been a misfit.