An Open Note to Nascar1966

Nascar1966 · #1 09-21-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DerbyCat

NASCAR, despite what you may think, I am an intelligent person. I am smart enough to look at your profile here on DT and it sheds light into the person you are. I commend you on your military service, my father and grandfather were both Navy men, Vietnam and WWII, my mothers side of the family were all Marines and Army... I understand and respect those that serve our country and I thank you for your service. If you're like members of my family, you went into service directly out of high school and if you had time, you got a college degree when you left - I don't know about you but only my uncle and Dad got degrees, everyone else just got a job to support their family. Several of my Dad's siblings and cousins became cops after service and that's why I was one too after I flunked out of college my senior year (I finally finished my bachelors degree a decade later and am a thesis away from my masters degree). I finally grew up, figured out what I wanted to do with my life and found things that make me happy - horse racing is a big part of my happiness.

I know you love this country and you're frustrated by what is happening to it. Despite what you may believe, the current President is not the cause of all of our problems, it's the political system and the current climate of political discourse. Blindly hating a man and disparaging him won't solve the nations problems, actively engaging in discussion about the problem and bringing people together in ideas that lead towards solutions is far more helpful. Insults have helped to create the current problems, do you really feel the need to continue that? *We all have far more in common than we realize, but we let pundits and politicians at the extremes tell us who is good and who is evil. *At the individual level, we need to be able to say, "we may have our differences but I accept your opinion, so long as you can articulate it, help me to understand it, yet see my side as well". *Can you accept that?

If you'd like continue the status quo, then you'll do what you want to do. I am extending an olive branch in hopes of finding the things we have in common and understanding our differences. At the very least, as a military man, I would hope that you show me the respect due a woman, which you may not realize I am - I know you were taught respect with your background. *

Respectfully,
DerbyCat

Just to prove that I am a decent human being, which im sure no one here believes I am. I will accept your olive branch as a truce. Just a little about me. You are correct in saying I joined the Navy after high school. I had my
18th birthday at boot camp. I only have an associate's which I completed while still in the Navy. Lots of 14 hour days with work, school, and studying. I commend on your education that you have achieved. I know all the blame can't be put on Obama, but he is always pointing the fingers at the Republicans. How can he blame it all the time on the Republicans.

As a another peace offering I will take down my avatar and quote.

jms62 · #2 09-21-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Just to prove that I am a decent human being, which im sure no one here believes I am. I will accept your olive branch as a truce. Just a little about me. You are correct in saying I joined the Navy after high school. I had my
18th birthday at boot camp. I only have an associate's which I completed while still in the Navy. Lots of 14 hour days with work, school, and studying. I commend on your education that you have achieved. I know all the blame can't be put on Obama, but he is always pointing the fingers at the Republicans. How can he blame it all the time on the Republicans.

As a another peace offering I will take down my avatar and quote.

You are not a good person. I wished you good fortune for your son (Marrying Obamas daughter) and you wished me dead...

Nascar1966 · #3 09-21-2010, 05:45 PM

jms62,

I cant see you.

DerbyCat · #4 09-21-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Just to prove that I am a decent human being, which im sure no one here believes I am. I will accept your olive branch as a truce. Just a little about me. You are correct in saying I joined the Navy after high school. I had my
18th birthday at boot camp. I only have an associate's which I completed while still in the Navy. Lots of 14 hour days with work, school, and studying. I commend on your education that you have achieved. I know all the blame can't be put on Obama, but he is always pointing the fingers at the Republicans. How can he blame it all the time on the Republicans.

As a another peace offering I will take down my avatar and quote.

NASCAR, I have this weird feeling I'm going to end up liking you

. I have no doubt you are a good man who works his butt off to support his family and you hate that fact that you don't have more to show for all the work you do. You're not the only one who feels this way but you're being suckered in by ALL the politicians, few of them are looking out for our best interests, they want to take care of their donors and themselves. In my personal opinion, we are all wrong to be a member of any party - they all have their good and bad side. You can not blindly support one side unless they are doing exactly what you want them to do - and no party is doing exactly what YOU want. Political parties expect people to be loyal to them so you blindly vote for them, no questions asked.

NASCAR, you upset folks here because you blindly support one side without seeing both sides - you are a Rebublican puppet who appears to parrot the right-wing talking points... But you're not alone, there are others here that do the same thing, on both sides. People don't have fun "arguing" with you because you can't even acknowledge that the other side has a point. What hurts you the most is when you insult people because they disagree with you. There's no need to tell someone they are a moron or that they should crawl under a rock just because their opinion is different from yours. If you don't like what they say, simply say, "I don't agree with you, you haven't changed my opinion". People can respect that, they just get defensive when you insult them.

I have no doubt that you're a good guy in person and I'd probably enjoy sitting down and having a beer with you at the track. Try not to insult people and I'd bet more DTers would be far more receptive to you. Thank you for accepting my olive branch, I do appreciate it.

DC

#5 09-22-2010, 09:06 AM

I've been reduced to dry heaving. Now I have to clean this mess up.

Thanks!

Nascar1966 · #6 09-22-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DerbyCat

NASCAR, I have this weird feeling I'm going to end up liking you

. I have no doubt you are a good man who works his butt off to support his family and you hate that fact that you don't have more to show for all the work you do. You're not the only one who feels this way but you're being suckered in by ALL the politicians, few of them are looking out for our best interests, they want to take care of their donors and themselves. In my personal opinion, we are all wrong to be a member of any party - they all have their good and bad side. You can not blindly support one side unless they are doing exactly what you want them to do - and no party is doing exactly what YOU want. Political parties expect people to be loyal to them so you blindly vote for them, no questions asked.

NASCAR, you upset folks here because you blindly support one side without seeing both sides - you are a Rebublican puppet who appears to parrot the right-wing talking points... But you're not alone, there are others here that do the same thing, on both sides. People don't have fun "arguing" with you because you can't even acknowledge that the other side has a point. What hurts you the most is when you insult people because they disagree with you. There's no need to tell someone they are a moron or that they should crawl under a rock just because their opinion is different from yours. If you don't like what they say, simply say, "I don't agree with you, you haven't changed my opinion". People can respect that, they just get defensive when you insult them.

I have no doubt that you're a good guy in person and I'd probably enjoy sitting down and having a beer with you at the track. Try not to insult people and I'd bet more DTers would be far more receptive to you. Thank you for accepting my olive branch, I do appreciate it.

DC

I will give you credit your right on some points. I could care less if the President is Democratic or Republican as long as they are doing good for this country is my pet peeve. Im sure alot of people feel the same way. I have put down the Republicans a few times in the past.

Do you think its ok for someone to bring up a person's family member when talking about something?

jms62 · #7 09-22-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I will give you credit your right on some points. I could care less if the President is Democratic or Republican as long as they are white and non jewish. Im sure alot of people feel the same way. I have put down the Republicans a few times in the past.

Do you think its ok for someone to bring up a person's family member when talking about something?

FTFY

Nascar1966 · #8 09-22-2010, 01:25 PM

jms62,

I can't see you. Say whatever you want to say about me. Im sure your writing here that im a racist. Thats the way you want to be go for it. I guess it's okay for you to bring my son into the conversation. If I brought a member of your family into it not only would you be crying wolf but you would accuse me of being a racist.

jms62 · #9 09-22-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966

jms62,

I can't see you. Say whatever you want to say about me. Im sure your writing here that im a racist. Thats the way you want to be go for it. I guess it's okay for you to bring my son into the conversation. If I brought a member of your family into it not only would you be crying wolf but you would accuse me of being a racist.

Paul Bart "Mall Cop"... Trying to gain the sympathy vote ain't going to work... I said I hope your son marries Obama's daughter... No one would take that as anything negative towards your son.. Are you that fu<king stupid to think anyone will?

Nascar1966 · #10 09-22-2010, 04:06 PM

jms62,

I still cant see you. Maybe I didn't eat enough carrots when I was younger.

DerbyCat · #11 09-22-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Do you think its ok for someone to bring up a person's family member when talking about something?

What I think is right and what people will do to push other people's buttons on here are two different things. If you respond to it, they will keep digging at you because they see you take it personally. There are certain people on DT that post things that they wouldn't say to the other person's face - unless you take the time to get to know the person, the other guy is just a name and an avatar online. That's what this "note" to you has helped me with - your posts frustrated me and I lashed out at you because I just saw a one dimensional side of you, and unfortunately the dimension that I saw was that of an uneducated, right-wing, narrow minded bigot. I didn't like that all I saw and reacted to was something so negative - I don't think anyone on this site is a completely idiotic sociopath who wants to do nothing but f*ck with people (there are a few here that are borderline, but you're not one of them).

The only way we all can have a civilized discourse and discussion on politics and society is if we are able to articulate our opinion, back it up with facts and keep an open mind to the other persons viewpoint. As soon as we resort to attacking and insults, we've lost the argument. When you respond to insults, you empower the person who insulted you. The only way to get respect on this board is to show respect. If you give respect and get only insults back, then you either need to put that person on ignore or leave the board - it's a losing battle to try to keep fighting a dumb*ss, all it does is drive you crazy and the dumb*ss is so dumb, he doesn't care.

Nascar1966 · #12 09-22-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DerbyCat

What I think is right and what people will do to push other people's buttons on here are two different things. If you respond to it, they will keep digging at you because they see you take it personally. There are certain people on DT that post things that they wouldn't say to the other person's face - unless you take the time to get to know the person, the other guy is just a name and an avatar online. That's what this "note" to you has helped me with - your posts frustrated me and I lashed out at you because I just saw a one dimensional side of you, and unfortunately the dimension that I saw was that of an uneducated, right-wing, narrow minded bigot. I didn't like that all I saw and reacted to was something so negative - I don't think anyone on this site is a completely idiotic sociopath who wants to do nothing but f*ck with people (there are a few here that are borderline, but you're not one of them).

The only way we all can have a civilized discourse and discussion on politics and society is if we are able to articulate our opinion, back it up with facts and keep an open mind to the other persons viewpoint. As soon as we resort to attacking and insults, we've lost the argument. When you respond to insults, you empower the person who insulted you. The only way to get respect on this board is to show respect. If you give respect and get only insults back, then you either need to put that person on ignore or leave the board - it's a losing battle to try to keep fighting a dumb*ss, all it does is drive you crazy and the dumb*ss is so dumb, he doesn't care.

He has been placed on the ignore list. He can talk all he wants about me and spread false rumors. If he gets the satisfaction in calling someone a racist, good on him. Im not dealing with him no more as you can see.