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Old 10-10-2006, 08:18 AM
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The Sprint is so often a full-field free-for-all. It's the easiest race for a horse to find trouble in. I don't think we will see a 7/5 ML in a 14-horse Sprint field. If we do, and it holds up at the windows, I'd be betting heavily against.

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Bingo, someone mentions field size.
In the "good old days" before the Breeders Cup destroyed year long racing, horses had to travel to meet one another throughout the year in order to try and win titles and accolades. Guys also took shots with horse in spots where they appeared overmatched, because thats just what trainers did.
Fields in grade one events thoroughout the year were full more often than not, and win streaks were hard to come by. This was a direct result of field size. Any handicapper who watches races can tell you that big faves are best attempted to try and beat when there is a big field. Big fields often lead to trouble trips, and most often an honest and contested pace. Horses who had big win streaks back in the old days were the GOODS, because they often had to overcome troubled trips and less than ideal paces for their running styles.
If you take a look at recent "upsets" in Grade one races, they most often are not as big an upset as one would imagine, and also usually occur in large fields.
Lets take the 2005 Derby with Giacomo. Giacomo was given a fast pace to try and run down, a pace he hasnt seen since then. Hes not great, but chances are with bigger average fields that he may have caught another pace like that. Pleasant Home was always a talented filly, and it came as no shock to those of us who liked her last year that she won at an incredible 35-1. She had always displayed talent but a confirmed late running style. She had been mired in races with soft paces, short fields, or both. Cup day gives you full fields no matter what, so more often a horse who is a closer actually gets a pace to run down.
The reason that these "big days" like Travers Day and Gold Cup day have turned into 3-5 festivals is field size. The favorite almost always gets some sort of reasonable trip and pace scenario to run with. They don't have to overcome adversity or racing luck in order to win.
Its why the BC often yields longshots. there simply is no way to "simulate" a 12 horse field with a hotter pace and traffic trips in morning training, no way at all. Because of that horses who have been receiving ideal trips in moderately paced races are now encountering something new. It opens the doors for horses to close, and for horses who are marginally behind the faves in terms of talent to trip out.
The larger the filed size, the more variables you have thrown into the mix. The more variables thrown into the mix the more varied the outcome is.
If there is one reason to wager heavier on Cup day than any other day, its because of the actual possibility than a horse who appears overmatched on paper can actually win or hit the board at a square price.
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Old 10-10-2006, 11:15 AM
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With all the Henny hoopa;a it seems that Pomeroy is the forgotten horse.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:12 PM
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With all the Henny hoopa;a it seems that Pomeroy is the forgotten horse.
Did they move the BC to Saratoga?
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:19 PM
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Yeah I kind of agree with you. He obviously is a Spa freak, but he ran well at Calder, and might be a real intersting stab at what should be real nice odds.
Doesn't Calder typically play a lot more like Saratoga than Churchill does?
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:32 PM
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Tough to say, Calder IMO is usually kind to speed, and I believe the weekend the Forego was run this year was also very kind to speed to say the least. Also, Churchill had been like a drag strip recently on big days so who knows? But the horse is in very good hands, and I think he has a real upset shot in the sprint. I think Henny gets beat. he is an awesome horse, but in a 14 horse field, one thing goes wrong, and it's over.
I agree that Pomeroy still has a shot but I think he'll be 6-1 or 8-1 and a play against at those odds. Give me 12-1 or more and I'll definitely be interested.
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Old 10-10-2006, 12:50 PM
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I think he might be around 12-1. The horse doesn't seem to get bet.
I just can't see who else other than Henny is going to be that enticing to push him up to 12-1 especially if Bordonaro doesn't run there.
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