Jeter A Jerk?

SCUDSBROTHER · #1 09-16-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't know how often it happens, i don't watch much baseball.

as for the play-it is blatantly obvious that jeter was faking. that would draw a 'dive' call in hockey. they don't call that unless they know for sure the guy is faking.
i'm not a fan of any team-and frankly i'm surprised that it's jeter involved. i thought he was considered one of the 'good guys'. in my case, it's got nothing to do with the team he's on, i'm not a fan of any of them.

thing is, altho many are saying 'hit the guy next time out', i find that distasteful. i don't believe that pitchers should be trying to hit these guys-how is that acceptable? again, back to hockey-they don't let these guys just hook each other and go at it. they sit for that, get fined, suspended..or in chris simons case, you go overseas to play as no one in north america will touch you. or mcsorly, charged with assault...

Zig, Jeter should be sent a message by the league. You attacked the integrity of the sport. Get some better morals. Find some sportsmanship. Win the right way. Don't go that far out of your way to deceive our umpires. He crossed the line here. It should surprise nobody that this is the organization caught doing this crap. He thinks it's funny. I'm sure the Wallstreet guys think it's funny that they ripped the nation off, too.

Dahoss · #2 09-16-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Zig, Jeter should be sent a message by the league. You attacked the integrity of the sport. Get some better morals. Find some sportsmanship. Win the right way. Don't go that far out of your way to deceive our umpires. He crossed the line here. It should surprise nobody that this is the organization caught doing this crap.

Answer a question for me. If Jeter had really gotten hit and the ump thought it hit the bat first, does the catcher have an obligation to correct the ump if he knew the truth? Would the catcher need a message sent to him by the league?

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 09-16-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Answer a question for me. If Jeter had really gotten hit and the ump thought it hit the bat first, does the catcher have an obligation to correct the ump if he knew the truth? Would the catcher need a message sent to him by the league?

No. What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.) All these examples mentioned are mainly people playing the game, and accepting the results of the umps. That's not what took place here. Jeter went to Broadway in front of a National Audience. Hour and a half later, he admitted that the ball never even hit him. Admitted he had put on a deceitful display in order to try to win the wrong way.

Dahoss · #4 09-16-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.)

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

MaTH716 · #5 09-16-2010, 10:27 PM

The whole what to do, is about the way Jeter acted like he was hit. You are talking about a guy that is treated like he some sort of holy figure. The guy can't do anything wrong. Hell, I have never even seen him argue with an ump.
But there is nothing wrong with taking the base if the ump gives it to you (really what are you supposed to do?). It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts. Basically Mr. Rightous who can do nothing wrong pulled a fast one and shocked everyone who thought he was above stuff like that. But then again if you were in the slump that he's been in, you might be throwing yourself at fastballs thrown down the middle of the plate.

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 09-16-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts.

A-ZATLY

Danzig · #7 09-17-2010, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

The whole what to do, is about the way Jeter acted like he was hit. You are talking about a guy that is treated like he some sort of holy figure. The guy can't do anything wrong. Hell, I have never even seen him argue with an ump.
But there is nothing wrong with taking the base if the ump gives it to you (really what are you supposed to do?). It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts. Basically Mr. Rightous who can do nothing wrong pulled a fast one and shocked everyone who thought he was above stuff like that. But then again if you were in the slump that he's been in, you might be throwing yourself at fastballs thrown down the middle of the plate.

that's the thing-the ump didn't just say take your base. jeter put on quite an act. i think that's what has people in an uproar. a dive for sure. it wasn't just an error on the umps part, jeter acted hit, acted hurt-he ought to be ashamed. just think if the yanks had won off of that lie.

Cannon Shell · #8 09-17-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

that's the thing-the ump didn't just say take your base. jeter put on quite an act. i think that's what has people in an uproar. a dive for sure. it wasn't just an error on the umps part, jeter acted hit, acted hurt-he ought to be ashamed. just think if the yanks had won off of that lie.

It was an error on the umpires part. Jeter didn't obscure the umps vision and there are 3 other umps on the field that can be consulted with. Not to mention that it sounded like the ball hit wood, not a person. The umps blew it, period. The "people are in an uproar" will soon go back to ignoring baseball unless there is something to hate on. I prefer to call out a guy for cheating when he actually breaks a rule.

We now live in a world where the best basketball player is hated because he has a large ego, one of the top football players is disliked because he does a lot of commercials and now one of the best baseball players is disliked because he tricked an umpire? And this is progress....

SCUDSBROTHER · #9 09-16-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

No. It's not the same level of deception as having the trainer come out to deal with your damaged hand.

Dahoss · #10 09-16-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No. It's not the same level of deception as having the trainer come out to deal with your damaged hand.

The trainer came out because he thought he was hurt. What did you want Jeter to do? Push him away? Deception is deception.

If Furcal did it, you'd be praising him.

SCUDSBROTHER · #11 09-16-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

The trainer came out because he thought he was hurt. What did you want Jeter to do? Push him away? Deception is deception.

If Furcal did it, you'd be praising him.

LOL......Trainer came out, cuz he's acting like he busted his hand. No, FURCAL wouldn't do it for this club.. Don't have to worry about that. They get awfully timid when they join this organization. This organization has become the opposite of win at all costs. Look at Hershaw. She's brilliant when the season's a total loss. When the chips are on the table, she was no match for Oswalt, and the Phils. Owner has always seemed more interested in Cancer Charities than winning. I guess I can't be surprised that they're wimps.