Bernardini = 117 Beyer, Henny Hughes = 113 Beyer

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I love this comment by you....


" How does the betting public understand that the horse didn't give his all which equated to the beyer fig on any given performance then? It doesn't say it in the Form and people can't watch and take record of EVERY single horse race run in North America..."

For you to suggest that the betting public that uses Beyer figures doesn't, and somehow shouldn't, understand what they are based on shows a shocking lack of knowledge on your part. Who knew you thought so many people, who it actually seems are more knowledgable than you at least on this subject, were clueless. I am impressed that you would continue to stubbornly try and defend your position on this one.

And then you use something Bill Hartack said to defend the sheets use of the wides??? That's great. Who knew he was a great handicapper too. The simple fact is I explained why I don't agree with their use of the " wides ", and I also said I respect their numbers intellectually but just happen to disagree with them, and the best you can do is come up with a quote from a JOCKEY!!! and tell me that I should respect them because some trainers use them? Pardon me, but I will stand by my analysis over some trainers who's handicapping skills I know nothing about. I do know that I would like to specifically be at least one of those you mentioned's bookmaker.

I don't " have a problem " with your personal comments...I was just pointing out the hypocracy in your making them considering what you whined about last week. That's all. I actually found your's amusing because of their simplicity, inaccuracy, and transparency.

I don't care, and nor would I guess Beyer would, whether you like him or not. I was, once again, just pointing out the silliness of your comments. I am still waiting for that other list you mentioned.

Joel, I didn't bring the Beyer figs into this discussion, you did...and in a snide way. I am just trying to clean up the mess you created. God knows I wouldn't want some of those sadly uninformed people that you referred to in the initial quote I used to continue to misuse ( and misunderstand ) his numbers.

okay andy, I'll ask your permission before I post from now on Mr. derbytrail-meistro ...since you love disecting other people's posts so much....we again obviously have a difference of opinion, which is, by the way, not against the law...I'm confident in my opinions as I'm sure you are confident in yours....but your agendas are the hilarious thing to me...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

okay andy, I'll ask your permission before I post from now on Mr. derbytrail-meistro ...since you love disecting other people's posts so much....we again obviously have a difference of opinion, which is, by the way, not against the law...I'm confident in my opinions as I'm sure you are confident in yours....but your agendas are the hilarious thing to me...

I enjoy the disagreements. I also think while you have an enormous amount of knowledge, along with an enthusiasm that I respect and wish many others had, that sometimes you venture into territory, such as this one, where you aren't as knowledgable as others. You know WAY more about breeding than I know now or will ever know ( in all likelihood ) and I certainly don't argue with you in those situations from my obvious point of weakness. However, I have spent a great deal of my life thinking about some of the things discussed in this thread, and I feel I am, in this case, arguing from strength. I have had these same arguments with Jerry Brown on many occasions.

There was little need for you to suggest I have an agenda, though I am curious as to what you think it may be, as my only real " agenda " ( so to speak ) in this argument is to clarify some points that I felt were erroneous. If you think it is some need to defend any criticism of Beyer, while I won't say you are totally wrong, I defend him as I do all my friends when I feel they are being UNFAIRLY ( or inaccurately ) criticized. I am guessing you would do the same if you felt that was the case with one of your friends here.

By the way, it's spelled maestro.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I enjoy the disagreements. I also think while you have an enormous amount of knowledge, along with an enthusiasm that I respect and wish many others had, that sometimes you venture into territory, such as this one, where you aren't as knowledgable as others. You know WAY more about breeding than I know now or will ever know ( in all likelihood ) and I certainly don't argue with you in those situations from my obvious point of weakness. However, I have spent a great deal of my life thinking about some of the things discussed in this thread, and I feel I am, in this case, arguing from strength. I have had these same arguments with Jerry Brown on many occasions.

There was little need for you to suggest I have an agenda, though I am curious as to what you think it may be, as my only real " agenda " ( so to speak ) in this argument is to clarify some points that I felt were erroneous. If you think it is some need to defend any criticism of Beyer, while I won't say you are totally wrong, I defend him as I do all my friends when I feel they are being UNFAIRLY ( or inaccurately ) criticized. I am guessing you would do the same if you felt that was the case with one of your friends here.

By the way, it's spelled maestro.

I repect your opinions, Andy..I always have....if I didn't feel I had knowledge of the subject then I wouldn't have based my opinions on the matter...when talking about understanding the horseplayer, just remember that I do have a very intimate knowledge of that from working in the Marketing Dept. at CDI for a couple fo years...say what you will, but it is the top horse racing company in the world and they do have some sharp people executing some sharp research processes to understand their customers - and I was fortunate to learn much of that during my time there....that is why I disagree on the Beyer front because we did some extensive research with a lot of DRF's help and we came to some certain conclusions...I can't go into detail beyond that

[blackthroatedwind]

[quote=Dixie Porter]

Originally Posted by ...since you love disecting other people's posts so much.... QUOTE

I'l LOVE to see this mutt start disecting my posts. I'm not done with him yet.

I've known hundreds of bust outs like him over the years. Big mouths, bother trainers, and wear cigar boxes for shoes.



BTW, I don't talk to riders on a professional basis (they know NOTHING) but Bill was a very good friend of mine and I often stayed with him in his house in Miami Springs during Hialeah when he was riding contract for Calumet.

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Wow, a defense from Dixie! What an honor.

Done with me??????? Surely not, as you will continue to make snide comments and take cheap shots until you are inevitably banned from here as you have been from every other horse racing message board on the internet.

By the way, feel free to ask any trainers if I ever bother them. Oh, I forgot, you only know trainers in your mind.

You are hilarious. Thanks for the entertainment.