Secretariat Vs. Spectacular Bid

#1 10-09-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

What points? You simply put more emphasis on 3 yr old season than the totality of a career. Bid did more and I think top to bottom was a better horse. I'm not trying to convince you--for the 100th time. You asked for a justification of it. You got it.

The question isn't who "did more" ... it's who was "better." In your signature line ... you say Spectacular Bid was "better" ... and you can't substantiate that.

Spectacular Bid ran for three full years and started 30 times ... and had his best year as a 4YO ... as many great race horses have. 4YOS are usually much more mature and accomplished than 3YOS ... professionals compared to college boys. 5YOS and 6YOS are even better ... but great entire male horses never get to run at those ages.

Secretariat raced only two years and started 21 times. But his failure to race as a 4YO wasn't his ... he was completely sound when he retired.

The only legitimate comparison which can be made is as 2YOS and 3YOS ... and Secretariat was clearly "better." Why can't you just be satisfied with claiming ... possibly correctly ... that Spectacular Bid was the best 4YO ever?

randallscott35 · #2 10-09-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

The question isn't who "did more" ... it's who was "better." In your signature line ... you say Spectacular Bid was "better" ... and you can't substantiate that.

Spectacular Bid ran for three full years and started 30 times ... and had his best year as a 4YO ... as many great race horses have. 4YOS are usually much more mature and accomplished than 3YOS ... professionals compared to college boys. 5YOS and 6YOS are even better ... but great entire male horses never get to run at those ages.

Secretariat raced only two years and started 21 times. But his failure to race as a 4YO wasn't his ... he was completely sound when he retired.

The only legitimate comparison which can be made is as 2YOS and 3YOS ... and Secretariat was clearly "better." Why can't you just be satisfied with claiming ... possibly correctly ... that Spectacular Bid was the best 4YO ever?

B/c I believe if they raced at 4 (Sec completely sound, yes) that Bid would've beat him 3 out of 5 times or better. Gut feeling, but in the other thread you acted like I was completely out of line. At least now you seem to have it together a bit.

#3 10-09-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

At least now you seem to have it together a bit.

Could it be the other way around?

randallscott35 · #4 10-09-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Could it be the other way around?

Nope. We should meet up someday. Will be at AQ in November. Would guess you wouldn't be far from that.

#5 10-09-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

B/c I believe if they raced at 4 (Sec completely sound, yes) that Bid would've beat him 3 out of 5 times or better. Gut feeling

As I've posted many times ... coulda/shoulda/woulda doesn't count ... we can only go by actual races.

All we can say for sure ... is that in the two common years that they raced ... 2YO and 3YO ... Secretariat was better ... AND ... Spectacular Bid as a 4YO had one of the best campaigns ... possibly the best ... that any American race horse has ever had.

Danzig · #6 10-09-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

The question isn't who "did more" ... it's who was "better." In your signature line ... you say Spectacular Bid was "better" ... and you can't substantiate that.

Spectacular Bid ran for three full years and started 30 times ... and had his best year as a 4YO ... as many great race horses have. 4YOS are usually much more mature and accomplished than 3YOS ... professionals compared to college boys. 5YOS and 6YOS are even better ... but great entire male horses never get to run at those ages.

Secretariat raced only two years and started 21 times. But his failure to race as a 4YO wasn't his ... he was completely sound when he retired.

The only legitimate comparison which can be made is as 2YOS and 3YOS ... and Secretariat was clearly "better." Why can't you just be satisfied with claiming ... possibly correctly ... that Spectacular Bid was the best 4YO ever?

never know...secretariat may have pulled a flower alley at four.