Secretariat Vs. Spectacular Bid

#1 10-09-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

All this talk of Secretariat and Spectacular Bid makes you realize that "the best" aint really very good anymore.

I think thats kinda the point Randall is making, and if hes not I am.
Just read the pages and pages of glorification that a horse who beats Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's hero gets. Its a sick joke. yeah he can run, hes really good, no doubt. But great? Hes beaten injured horses with easy trips in small fields in not brilliant times. I'm sorry but mentioning him as a great really defames horses like Bid, Slew, Secretariat, Affirmed, etc. This is a travesty.

randallscott35 · #2 10-09-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I think thats kinda the point Randall is making, and if hes not I am.
Just read the pages and pages of glorification that a horse who beats Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's hero gets. Its a sick joke. yeah he can run, hes really good, no doubt. But great? Hes beaten injured horses with easy trips in small fields in not brilliant times. I'm sorry but mentioning him as a great really defames horses like Bid, Slew, Secretariat, Affirmed, etc. This is a travesty.

Right on, and mike, you know if he retires after the BCC, people will put him in that category.

#3 10-09-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I think thats kinda the point Randall is making, and if hes not I am.
Just read the pages and pages of glorification that a horse who beats Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's hero gets. Its a sick joke. yeah he can run, hes really good, no doubt. But great? Hes beaten injured horses with easy trips in small fields in not brilliant times. I'm sorry but mentioning him as a great really defames horses like Bid, Slew, Secretariat, Affirmed, etc. This is a travesty.

Well said. I was starting to lose it with all of the Bernardino goo gooism going on.

#4 10-09-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Well said. I was starting to lose it with all of the Bernardino goo gooism going on.

Well I mean, I guess its not appropriate to call a spade a spade anymore. Its really not. But I'm going to now:
Withers- 5 horse field in which 2nd and 3rd place Doc Cheney and Luxembourg have been soundly beaten in allowances since then, not one win between them. Gee swell.
Preakness- Barbaro breaks down, Brother Derek bangs his head in the gate and runs while bleeding and in pain and is rank. Sweet Saint runs like drunken tired sailor in the lane exhausted from a hard campaign and still hasn't run back yet. Third place horse is the "mighty hemingway's key. Gee swell!!!
Jim Dandy- Makes a loose crawling lead in the slop and once again defeats the mighty Key. Awesome dude.
Travers- Bluegrass fractures a leg, later said by jock he knew something wasn't right with him early on. Sets slow pace and beats 2nd place horse with fracture. gee swell.
JCGC- Beats a confirmed dime stopper in Wanderin, and a failed allowance horse in Andromeda. Another pedestrian pace, a VERY lackluster 2:01 on a fast track that yields an 8 flat 6F earlier on. One of the slowest runnings.
yawn.

Please show me the greatness. VERY GOOD yes, great no.

randallscott35 · #5 10-09-2006, 07:43 PM

Dahoss,

He needs to come back as a 4 yr old. It's really really important. He's great. But to call him an alltime great he'll need to run next year and win the BCC this year.

Gander · #6 10-09-2006, 07:48 PM

Oracle- There wont be any more great horses if you go by your standards. Not with the way the game is structured and the emphasis on making as much money the few times they want to race a horse and the eagerness to get them in the shed to breed. There will be an increase in the kinds of days like this past Saturday (short fields, heavy favorites). People wonder why the fan base is drying up. Great horses? Dont hold your breath. Its about guys in fancy suits trying to make a quick buck.

Reasons why Lava Man, Tin Man and Funny Cide make my heart go pitter patter. Sorry, just cant get stoked for English Channel or Fleet Indian.

randallscott35 · #7 10-09-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Oracle- There wont be any more great horses if you go by your standards. Not with the way the game is structured and the emphasis on making as much money the few times they want to race a horse and the eagerness to get them in the shed to breed. There will be an increase in the kinds of days like this past Saturday (short fields, heavy favorites). People wonder why the fan base is drying up. Great horses? Dont hold your breath. Its about guys in fancy suits trying to make a quick buck.

Reasons why Lava Man, Tin Man and Funny Cide make my heart go pitter patter. Sorry, just cant get stoked for English Channel or Fleet Indian.

Not necessarily true Tim. Even in the 70's, the fields were small against all the big horses because of how good they were. But some of those horses were still better than a Wanderin Boy and the Dr. Pleasure's of the world....I really hope for the Bernie fans that he wins the BCC. I'm not rooting against him, but its put up or shut up.

#8 10-09-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thats fair. I agree, and thank you for finally giving me an answer.

He aint there yet Hoss, gotta do better than beating Wanderin Boy in 2:01. Thats not great, not even close. If he comes back at 4 maybe then he will earn great.

Gander · #9 10-09-2006, 07:55 PM

I hope he doesnt win the Classic because theres a 95% chance I'll be losing money going into the Classic and I wont get out betting Bernardini.

randallscott35 · #10 10-09-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I hope he doesnt win the Classic because theres a 95% chance I'll be losing money going into the Classic and I wont get out betting Bernardini.

Lol, I'll have some plays for you. Mid 4 figures or better, on 4 of the last 5 Breeders Cups. Jinxing myself but I don't care. Sorry I meant 4 figures!! LOL, I'd retire if it was 5.