9/11-12 (BEL): Bowling Green H. (G2); Ashley T. Cole S.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I thought he moved too soon but I also thought he was supposed to win on that course. I also thought that the juice was supposed to allow him to win. Kiaran the juicer is real good at taking advantage of turf biases and, he's also real good with sprinters stretching out 1st time turf. In this, he's the John Sadler of the East Coast. Which means he's either a really good trainer or he has an edge. (Guess which is the case? )

Which brings me back to the original point: why did this horse fall apart like it did in the stretch last out?

What does Kiaran have to do with anything? Are you confused?

[hockey2315]

Not confused. . . just insane. . . probably still bitter about Soldat annihilating that field last week. I've really enjoyed the constant complaining from everyone over the Saratoga bias. . . and I'm kind of amazed that so many of you supposedly skilled handicappers were so incapable of adjusting. . . same thing with the juice.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Not confused. . . just insane. . . probably still bitter about Soldat annihilating that field last week. I've really enjoyed the constant complaining from everyone over the Saratoga bias. . . and I'm kind of amazed that so many of you supposedly skilled handicappers were so incapable of adjusting. . . same thing with the juice.

I appreciate you rubbing the $19 winner in my face. Must've been huge for you, as you pretty much haven't stopped going on about it.

How exactly was anyone supposed to 'adjust'? Was it ever a case that the single speed or the 'clear' speed got the lead in any of these races? Or, rather, was it a crapshoot as to who would go and who would sit. And, of course, it also came in handy if you could 'predict' which horse would get the clear rail run through the stretch. That was easy too, for you, I suppose.

[hockey2315]

You're the one going on about McLaughlin stretching out a sprinter on turf when the horse in question is trained by Bill Mott and wasn't stretching out.

It wasn't that hard to figure out who had enough speed to be on or near the lead and who was an easy play against because they had no speed. . .

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

It wasn't that hard to figure out who had enough speed to be on or near the lead and who was an easy play against because they had no speed. . .

That wasn't enough to get you the winner in most cases. Plenty of races with any number of horses that could go to the front. And, plenty of races where horses were allowed to loaf on the front end while jocks were taking back.

And, there was also the odd race where all the speed went and the race collapsed; against the bias.

Wasn't easy at all, IMO.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

It wasn't that hard to figure out who had enough speed to be on or near the lead and who was an easy play against because they had no speed. . .

This really isn't true. Yeah, it was easy to toss closers, but there were several races that appeared to be loaded with speed, then one horse, at random, would be crawling sideways on the lead. I appreciate biases as much as anybody, but this one wasn't helpful at all, it was detrimental.

[hockey2315]

Luckily you don't have to play 1x1x1 in exotics.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

What does Kiaran have to do with anything? Are you confused?

No. I didn't bother checkin and seemed to think that Kiaran was the trainer of this horse.