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10-09-2006, 02:30 PM
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citation beat the older and reigning horse of the year before he left florida--it was in february i believe, and months before 'big cy' won the triple crown. they don't make them like they used to!!
as for secretariat, he lost two of his three races against older. that's blowing wheels off??? seattle slew continued his unbeaten streak into and through the triple crown. bern lost his first start. i'll take the unbeaten tc winner, thanks very much. 
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10-09-2006, 03:20 PM
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10-09-2006, 03:52 PM
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love, LOVE seattle slew. now that was a horse! my first breyer i bought was him. have a pic of him grazing by his monument at three chimneys hanging on my office wall.
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10-09-2006, 03:52 PM
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Saying that Secretariat would have been syndicated for 40 million if he raced as a 4yo is the most absurd statement I have read on this forum. BBB
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10-09-2006, 04:02 PM
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Seattle Slew was undefeated in six starts as a 3YO through the Triple Crown ... but he started one more time ... against other 3YOS ... and finished fourth beaten by 16 lengths. Overall ... I'd give a higher rating to a 3YO (Bernardini) who finishes second in his first race ... and then romps off in his next six starts ... including two against the best older horses available (soon to happen) ... ... than a 3YO (Seattle Slew) who wins his first six starts and then gets a drubbing in his seventh ... never having faced an older horse. Wouldn't you?
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10-09-2006, 04:04 PM
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i read recently he lost two of three....guess i'll have to go back to my t'bred legends book.
slew should never have run in the swaps, something the owners just couldn't get thru their heads. duh. than he laid out, and then slew almost died from colitis x. still managed to come back at four for one heck of a campaign. three years a champ. i'll take his three stunning seasons right now. and of course we all KNOW how that story ended. bernie is still writing his. check back with me when he's got FIN on his last page.
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10-09-2006, 04:08 PM
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... why aren't you bursting with pride over the spectacular success of his grandson ... Bernardini?
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10-09-2006, 04:13 PM
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oh i think bernardini is doing a great job. but you're talking to a cynical skeptical realist. i'm also with somer as far as not slapping a label on any horse til they're done. i've seen too many horses who seemed to be one thing, who put on some amazing performances, only to be shown as being mere mortals. it's why when we have buzz every year on the new filly to take on colts at churchill i scoff. and why i roll my eyes at the suggestion that the derby winner is GUARANTEED to win the t.c. cause this is the year.
i'm enjoying watching bernardini. crossing my fingers we get to see a lot more of him. and then hopefully he'll take over where his old man leaves off in the shed. ap indy has certainly done very well taking slew down the road!
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10-09-2006, 05:23 PM
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It's not like it can't be done though right? I'll name the few I know that could run with the older men. Cat Thief, Tiznow, Holy Bull I don't a whole lot more but it can and has been done in the past.
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10-09-2006, 06:29 PM
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This thread is about a handful of superhorses who had their best years as 4YOS ... and how naïve it is to compare even a great 3YO to the all-time greatest 4YOS when they were at their very best. In those rare cases ... a 3YO to 3YO comparison is much more appropriate.
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10-09-2006, 07:00 PM
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And his other grandson, the Lava Man
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10-09-2006, 04:09 PM
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10-09-2006, 04:15 PM
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... that makes a HUGE difference ... BERNARDINI SUCKS !!!
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10-09-2006, 04:19 PM
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10-09-2006, 07:30 PM
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In late summer/early fall or so last year, Albertrani told Haskin that he had a terrific 2 year old he was working with that he thought was going to be special.. So Haskin sees Songster win his debut like a good thing and gets ahold of Albertrani: "I saw that 2 year old you told me to watch for.. He looked great!"... Tom says, "That's not him... The good one was fourth in his debut the other day..." Haskin: "Oh..OK.." And then he forgot about it... Until he saw Bernardini's 2nd start...
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