Bernardini = 117 Beyer, Henny Hughes = 113 Beyer

Pointg5 · #1 10-09-2006, 01:56 PM

Any word on Goodwood Beyers?

Dunbar · #2 10-09-2006, 05:58 PM

Pointg, Lava Man got a 109. (it's on the Leaderboard at DRF.) Brother Derek must have gotten about a 105.

The 109 is Lava Man's 3rd straight. Much as I love the horse, I don't see him matching up vs Bernardini.

--Dunbar

Gander · #3 10-09-2006, 06:05 PM

Bernardini is much better than Point Given. He has defeated older horses and has agreed to stay around and not fake an injury to retire. If you believe he "got hurt" after the Travers I have a new baseball team in Idaho to sell you. Cmmon now. Point Given should never be mentioned with Bernardini.

blackthroatedwind · #4 10-09-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Bernardini is much better than Point Given. He has defeated older horses and has agreed to stay around and not fake an injury to retire. If you believe he "got hurt" after the Travers I have a new baseball team in Idaho to sell you. Cmmon now. Point Given should never be mentioned with Bernardini.

I was not Point Given's biggest fan but he won the Preakness, Belmont, Haskell and Travers in succession and earned speed figures extremely similar to Bernardini. Yeah, he should have hung around, but are you suggesting to me that he wouldn't have manhandled the likes of Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's Hero?

I actually think Point Given is an excellent comparison to Bernardini and a compliment to both of them.

#5 10-09-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I was not Point Given's biggest fan but he won the Preakness, Belmont, Haskell and Travers in succession and earned speed figures extremely similar to Bernardini. Yeah, he should have hung around, but are you suggesting to me that he wouldn't have manhandled the likes of Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's Hero?

I actually think Point Given is an excellent comparison to Bernardini and a compliment to both of them.

I agree...I obviously believe bernardini is the superior animal between he and Point Given, but they can definately be compared at this point, especially as 3-year-olds....

Now, Bernardini can't be compared with horses like Seattle Slew and Bid right now because most people wouldn't be able to handle it, but I think he will by the time he is done ......just my opinion..

I think he's better than Ghostzapper right now......again, just my opinion....

TitanSooner · #6 10-09-2006, 07:15 PM

Here's a serious question because I really don't know the answer and I'm hoping someone here does. How can they give Bernardini a Beyer Figure that's considered remotely accurate without having any (or very very few) Mile and a quarter races on the dirt at Belmont?? And that can go for any horse at any track.. The beyer number Bernardini received made me think of it is all.

#7 10-09-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanSooner

Here's a serious question because I really don't know the answer and I'm hoping someone here does. How can they give Bernardini a Beyer Figure that's considered remotely accurate without having any (or very very few) Mile and a quarter races on the dirt at Belmont?? And that can go for any horse at any track.. The beyer number Bernardini received made me think of it is all.

Here's another question:

How could you even give Beyers to horses like Bernardini and Discreet Cat when they aren't even asked to brake a sweat?

Does that mean we can add like 10 points to their Beyer to compensate for if they were actually asked to lay down and run.....Bernardini's 117 and Discreet Cat's 115 in their last races were giving speed figures for workouts....

TitanSooner · #8 10-09-2006, 06:19 PM

and I'm sure those beyers are perfect with no bias.

Gander · #9 10-09-2006, 06:28 PM

I thought Point Given was a huge talent yes. But his phony exit left a bitter taste in my mouth. I still am more impressed with Bernardini up to this point than I ever was with Point Given. I wont go into who each faced because its not their fault they both beat up on cupcakes, although at least Bernardini wrote an open invitation for all older horses to come take him on. He'll do it again in 4 weeks. For the record I think Wanderin Boy is a much better horse than either Touch Tone and E Dubai were.

blackthroatedwind · #10 10-09-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanSooner

and I'm sure those beyers are perfect with no bias.

Nobody ever said they were " perfect ", whatever the hell that even could possibly mean in this situation, but the insinuations of bias only reflect on your ignorance.

Pointg5 · #11 10-09-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

Pointg, Lava Man got a 109. (it's on the Leaderboard at DRF.) Brother Derek must have gotten about a 105.

The 109 is Lava Man's 3rd straight. Much as I love the horse, I don't see him matching up vs Bernardini.

--Dunbar

Thanks Dunbar, I thought it may have been a little higher, but it's probably about right...