George Washington very possible for BC Classic

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

..now that Dylan Thomas failed to take to the dirt, team Ballydoyle has come out and said that George Washington is in consideration for both the Mile and the Classic - but it sounds like the Classic is where they are leaning reading between the lines....

Theye will run Dylan Thomas in the Turf and now have Aussie Rules for the Mile, which gives them the intriguing option of trying George Washington in the Classic on dirt to have a representative in that race. Plus, they want to take their shot at beating Bernardini and Darley - that you can believe...

Aussie Rules doesnt stand a chance in the Mile. GW needs to be in the Mile.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Aussie Rules doesnt stand a chance in the Mile. GW needs to be in the Mile.

I dont understand how you can say no chance. This is probably the most competitive of all the races with as many as 10 that you could make a strong argument for.

Originally Posted by jpops757

I dont understand how you can say no chance. This is probably the most competitive of all the races with as many as 10 that you could make a strong argument for.

Go ahead and make a case for 10 of them. This should be good.

[jpops757]

Aragorn,Miseques Aproval,GorellaAskelWayBecrux,Silent Name This is for starters . Im sure the bashers will bash all of them but all of these are prime contenders.

[pmayjr]

Don't worry JPops, when that 15-1 shot pops... the bashers will say thier chalk got caught in traffic

Originally Posted by jpops757

Aragorn,Miseques Aproval,GorellaAskelWayBecrux,Silent Name This is for starters . Im sure the bashers will bash all of them but all of these are prime contenders.

Those are nice horses but I would only consider Aragorn and Gorella are the only two that deserve any praise. I like Ashkal Way but I dont think he is good enough. Silent Name I didnt like yesterday and I don't know what all the hype about that horse is. Miseques Approval (I believe) has never won a Grade I race. If he has, I am sorry.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Aussie Rules doesnt stand a chance in the Mile. GW needs to be in the Mile.

I don't know about that Euro, pretty impressive this weekend at Keeneland

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Scav

I don't know about that Euro, pretty impressive this weekend at Keeneland

I take this back, I just looked at his TG sheet in the redbooard room and he is a tad slow for the BC Mile

Originally Posted by Scav

I take this back, I just looked at his TG sheet in the redbooard room and he is a tad slow for the BC Mile

There is no doubt he is a good horse. But he just isnt good enough to compete in the Breeders Cup Mile. I might be wrong, but I won't be betting him on BC day.

[georgewashington]

George Washington is going to run in the Classic? Thanks for the tip. First I heard of it. A couple weeks ago the people here told me the guys at ballydoyle would never do that. I guess you guys know better than the people who train the horse and the people that bred him. I will let them know it is ok with derbytrail.

Just to let you know, Dylan Thomas had nothing to do with the decision. It has to do with his future stallion career.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

George Washington is going to run in the Classic? Thanks for the tip. First I heard of it. A couple weeks ago the people here told me the guys at ballydoyle would never do that. I guess you guys know better than the people who train the horse and the people that bred him. I will let them know it is ok with derbytrail.

Just to let you know, Dylan Thomas had nothing to do with the decision. It has to do with his future stallion career.

Read it on TDN and there were quotes fron Aiden O'Brien to verify their intentions with him and Dylan Thomas...its legit I'm sure..

[Hwjb]

I can't believe this is anything but hype. They will go for the mile with George, retiring him after he wins there, if all goes well. They then want the option of being able to say that he could have taken the BCC route, saying amongst all their stud propaganda that they believed he had the stamina and ability to handle the surface for the BCC.
Whilst there was good reason for trying this out with Galileo, Hawk Wing and Giant's Causeway, I refuse to believe that they will endanger the reputation of such a hot breeding prospect as George Washington.
If anything, they will have a throwaway shot at the race with one of Aussie Rules, Ad Valorem or Hurricane Run.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

George Washington is going to run in the Classic? Thanks for the tip. First I heard of it. A couple weeks ago the people here told me the guys at ballydoyle would never do that. I guess you guys know better than the people who train the horse and the people that bred him. I will let them know it is ok with derbytrail.

Just to let you know, Dylan Thomas had nothing to do with the decision. It has to do with his future stallion career.

Do you honestly think that people who own horses take the breeders input into any type of consideration when managing their own property?
If they do it would be the first I ever heard of it. Most owners pay their money when they buy a horse and do what they want with the horse because its their right to do so.
I don't anyone here has arrogantlyclaimed that they know what Tabor and O'Byrne have decided to do. Joel simply posted about something he had read where he read between the lines. He didn't say he had been informed by anyone of any specific details.
If you "heard" something weeks ago, do you not realize that owners and trainers change their minds on a dialy basis based up on happenings that occur?
Its plausible to me that they would try GW in the classic after the bad Dylan Thomas performance on the dirt. They obviously want a horse in the Classic and quite frankly it makes sense to try him there. The very best Euros have been beaten with traffic trouble in the mile many times. Rock of Gibraltar was even beaten, as hard as that was to believe. Makes sense to me that if you have already established that you are the best miler in Europe that your value can go down if you try the mile and get beat in a traffic jam. These aren't owners who care about purse money. Ginats Causeway was a similiar situation. ALready established as phenomenal on grass, they took the shot(gee who owned him again?) on dirt and were rewarded with an outstanding 2nd place effort which proved he could run on dirt, and as a result he was much more eagerly sought by breeders in the shed because they had a better idea that perhaps his offspring could handle dirt, which is the large base of US racing.
I see it as everything to gain and nothing to lose if they try the classic. If he runs poorly then they still had an OUTSTANDING grass horse who is still valued the same as he was before the Cup.
If he handles the dirt and hits the board his value skyrockets as a stud.

I think you've come to the wrong place if you are trying to impress people with insider knowledge.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you honestly think that people who own horses take the breeders input into any type of consideration when managing their own property?
If they do it would be the first I ever heard of it. Most owners pay their money when they buy a horse and do what they want with the horse because its their right to do so.
I don't anyone here has arrogantlyclaimed that they know what Tabor and O'Byrne have decided to do. Joel simply posted about something he had read where he read between the lines. He didn't say he had been informed by anyone of any specific details.
If you "heard" something weeks ago, do you not realize that owners and trainers change their minds on a dialy basis based up on happenings that occur?
Its plausible to me that they would try GW in the classic after the bad Dylan Thomas performance on the dirt. They obviously want a horse in the Classic and quite frankly it makes sense to try him there. The very best Euros have been beaten with traffic trouble in the mile many times. Rock of Gibraltar was even beaten, as hard as that was to believe. Makes sense to me that if you have already established that you are the best miler in Europe that your value can go down if you try the mile and get beat in a traffic jam. These aren't owners who care about purse money. Ginats Causeway was a similiar situation. ALready established as phenomenal on grass, they took the shot(gee who owned him again?) on dirt and were rewarded with an outstanding 2nd place effort which proved he could run on dirt, and as a result he was much more eagerly sought by breeders in the shed because they had a better idea that perhaps his offspring could handle dirt, which is the large base of US racing.
I see it as everything to gain and nothing to lose if they try the classic. If he runs poorly then they still had an OUTSTANDING grass horse who is still valued the same as he was before the Cup.
If he handles the dirt and hits the board his value skyrockets as a stud.

I think you've come to the wrong place if you are trying to impress people with insider knowledge.

I agree 100%.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you honestly think that people who own horses take the breeders input into any type of consideration when managing their own property?
If they do it would be the first I ever heard of it. Most owners pay their money when they buy a horse and do what they want with the horse because its their right to do so.
I don't anyone here has arrogantlyclaimed that they know what Tabor and O'Byrne have decided to do. Joel simply posted about something he had read where he read between the lines. He didn't say he had been informed by anyone of any specific details.
If you "heard" something weeks ago, do you not realize that owners and trainers change their minds on a dialy basis based up on happenings that occur?
Its plausible to me that they would try GW in the classic after the bad Dylan Thomas performance on the dirt. They obviously want a horse in the Classic and quite frankly it makes sense to try him there. The very best Euros have been beaten with traffic trouble in the mile many times. Rock of Gibraltar was even beaten, as hard as that was to believe. Makes sense to me that if you have already established that you are the best miler in Europe that your value can go down if you try the mile and get beat in a traffic jam. These aren't owners who care about purse money. Ginats Causeway was a similiar situation. ALready established as phenomenal on grass, they took the shot(gee who owned him again?) on dirt and were rewarded with an outstanding 2nd place effort which proved he could run on dirt, and as a result he was much more eagerly sought by breeders in the shed because they had a better idea that perhaps his offspring could handle dirt, which is the large base of US racing.
I see it as everything to gain and nothing to lose if they try the classic. If he runs poorly then they still had an OUTSTANDING grass horse who is still valued the same as he was before the Cup.
If he handles the dirt and hits the board his value skyrockets as a stud.

I think you've come to the wrong place if you are trying to impress people with insider knowledge.

Agree with you on this one.

[Hwjb]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you honestly think that people who own horses take the breeders input into any type of consideration when managing their own property?
If they do it would be the first I ever heard of it. Most owners pay their money when they buy a horse and do what they want with the horse because its their right to do so.
I don't anyone here has arrogantlyclaimed that they know what Tabor and O'Byrne have decided to do. Joel simply posted about something he had read where he read between the lines. He didn't say he had been informed by anyone of any specific details.
If you "heard" something weeks ago, do you not realize that owners and trainers change their minds on a dialy basis based up on happenings that occur?
Its plausible to me that they would try GW in the classic after the bad Dylan Thomas performance on the dirt. They obviously want a horse in the Classic and quite frankly it makes sense to try him there. The very best Euros have been beaten with traffic trouble in the mile many times. Rock of Gibraltar was even beaten, as hard as that was to believe. Makes sense to me that if you have already established that you are the best miler in Europe that your value can go down if you try the mile and get beat in a traffic jam. These aren't owners who care about purse money. Ginats Causeway was a similiar situation. ALready established as phenomenal on grass, they took the shot(gee who owned him again?) on dirt and were rewarded with an outstanding 2nd place effort which proved he could run on dirt, and as a result he was much more eagerly sought by breeders in the shed because they had a better idea that perhaps his offspring could handle dirt, which is the large base of US racing.
I see it as everything to gain and nothing to lose if they try the classic. If he runs poorly then they still had an OUTSTANDING grass horse who is still valued the same as he was before the Cup.
If he handles the dirt and hits the board his value skyrockets as a stud.

I think you've come to the wrong place if you are trying to impress people with insider knowledge.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say, but when a horse is owned by Magnier/Tabor/Smith et al then campaign the very good horses with a future view to breeding.


Now George Washington is already a better miler than Rock of Gibraltar, so connections must feel that they have the BCM at their mecy given luck in running etc, and there seems less chance of George staying the 10f than there was with the Rock. So whilst running in the BCC may be a 'no lose' situation, when the odds are that stacked against you actually winning, surely common sense would dictate running where there is a far greater chance of something being gained.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Aussie Rules doesnt stand a chance in the Mile. GW needs to be in the Mile.

Yes. I believe you told us this weeks ago. Put it at 74% or something. I think Ballydoyle knows what they are doing, but I will let Corballis know.

Oracle, still waiting for you to tell me who your friend is that knows Dr. O'Byrne.