Another Obama brilliant move

[dellinger63]

this time by the world traveler Michele, these fools haven't a clue! But it's so fun watching them tumble

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/11...nutrition-bill

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

this time by the world traveler Michele, these fools haven't a clue! But it's so fun watching them tumble

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/11...nutrition-bill

jesus Steve...this is a good thing

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

jesus Steve...this is a good thing

to take away food stamps and feed kids healthy food in places like Lake Geneva?

[Danzig]

The $4.5 billion Senate bill would expand eligibility for school meal programs, establish nutrition standards for all food sold in schools and provide a 6-cent increase for each school lunch to help cafeterias serve healthier meals. The $8 billion House version includes more money for expanding access to school lunches for children in low-income households.


yeah, sounds like evil incarnate. i'm surprised dell, that you're not supportive of food stamp funding cuts in conjunction with this.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, sounds like evil incarnate. i'm surprised dell, that you're not supportive of food stamp funding cuts in conjunction with this.

How could anyone be in favor of cutting food stamps to the poor to feed the children of the rich? Or is it the menu selected by and control of the government that is the appeal? And if we're really going to try and trim down the children why don't we just suspend bus service to anyone deemed unfit and make them walk? We would not only save the child but the money to transport and the carbon wasted hauling the overweight kid around. But that would be too simple.

[dellinger63]

and are kids of illegals going to be included in the free, healthy lunches?

Because then The Pres can boast he took from the poor to give to illegals. Run on that platform.....

[Nascar1966]

Are you people expecting a miracle from this imbecile who is ruining this country everyday?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Are you people expecting a miracle from this imbecile who is ruining this country everyday?

I expected exactly what we are getting. A President who supports building the mosque despite who it offends but doesn't support a State who is willing to do the Fed's job and enforce immigration laws because of who it may offend.

Geez couldn't someone have told him to say 'while the U.S. constitution ensures Muslms the right to build a mosque on private property I would suggest they be more sensitive to the families of 911 victims and not build near ground zero.' I know he doesn't have it in him but in this case perhaps he should have brought out the teleprompter he's so fond of and read it.

[notyep59]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I expected exactly what we are getting. A President who supports building the mosque despite who it offends but doesn't support a State who is willing to do the Fed's job and enforce immigration laws because of who it may offend.

Geez couldn't someone have told him to say 'while the U.S. constitution ensures Muslms the right to build a mosque on private property I would suggest they be more sensitive to the families of 911 victims and not build near ground zero.' I know he doesn't have it in him but in this case perhaps he should have brought out the teleprompter he's so fond of and read it.

another great post.....any time you get to throw "teleprompter" in there , you should feel like you've accomplished something for the betterment of the world. you and nascar should be so proud to be on the same team.

[Cannon Shell]

If it was a GOP idea to cut food stamps, Riot would be 1-9 to be on the warpath.

Of course I was told by her that food stamps were actually economic stimulus so i guess this will hurt the economy...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If it was a GOP idea to cut food stamps, Riot would be 1-9 to be on the warpath.

Dunno about Riot, but I was furious when they cut them recently, and am equally furious that they're going to do it again.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of course I was told by her that food stamps were actually economic stimulus so i guess this will hurt the economy...

This is true. You do know that they actually are good to stimulate the economy, right?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Dunno about Riot, but I was furious when they cut them recently, and am equally furious that they're going to do it again.



This is true. You do know that they actually are good to stimulate the economy, right?

Simply dropping money out of airplanes is better stimulus than food stamps. The govt reimbursing stores for food that they paid farmers to produce isnt really stimulus, it is subsidy.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Simply dropping money out of airplanes is better stimulus than food stamps. The govt reimbursing stores for food that they paid farmers to produce isnt really stimulus, it is subsidy.

Well of course it is, but as far as social services that help the poor -- it's great stimulus, which is what I meant and what I should've said.

If you're of the mind that the govt. helping the poor eat is a bad idea altogether, then surely they're a bad idea -- but if we're providing social services to poor people, then food stamps are excellent as it provides food, helps local businesses, and goes back to those providing and shipping the food. It's a very solid social service program.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well of course it is, but as far as social services that help the poor -- it's great stimulus, which is what I meant and what I should've said.

If you're of the mind that the govt. helping the poor eat is a bad idea altogether, then surely they're a bad idea -- but if we're providing social services to poor people, then food stamps are excellent as it provides food, helps local businesses, and goes back to those providing and shipping the food. It's a very solid social service program.

Don't confuse social services with stimulus. Putting comments like the bolded are petty. I didn't say that food stamp programs arent worthy causes. But as stimulus they are hardly of any value as the cost of the social programs far outweighs the stimulitive effect. It doesn't create sustainable growth or industry, it simply subsidizes what is already there. Once the food stamps are taken away or as in this case cut, what happens to the businesses supposedly helped?

The food providers are in most cases already getting paid by the govt, in many cases to not produce food.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Don't confuse social services with stimulus. Putting comments like the bolded are petty. I didn't say that food stamp programs arent worthy causes. But as stimulus they are hardly of any value as the cost of the social programs far outweighs the stimulitive effect. It doesn't create sustainable growth or industry, it simply subsidizes what is already there. Once the food stamps are taken away or as in this case cut, what happens to the businesses supposedly helped?

The food providers are in most cases already getting paid by the govt, in many cases to not produce food.

It's not meant to be petty at all -- there are people (maybe not YOU, but a generic "you") who think that all social welfare of any kind is wasteful and that people are lazy, should get jobs instead of playing Xbox all day (like that's what they're doing anyway), etc, etc.

It's not petty, and perfectly important to point out that if anyone is of the mind that all social welfare of any kind is wasteful, then of course they're bad ideas. Not meant as a dig at you -- those people are out there, and they're here on this board too, as we've seen a million times.

You're arguing a case that I'm not really making, but I may be making myself rather unclear. Naturally lots of government provided programs like that are not actually "sustainable" and "stimulative," but given the other ways that our government does hand out cash to people, food stamps are actually good and help the economy. In helping people afford to eat, that money gets put back into circulation and has an effect long past the person eating food.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It's not meant to be petty at all -- there are people (maybe not YOU, but a generic "you") who think that all social welfare of any kind is wasteful and that people are lazy, should get jobs instead of playing Xbox all day (like that's what they're doing anyway), etc, etc.

It's not petty, and perfectly important to point out that if anyone is of the mind that all social welfare of any kind is wasteful, then of course they're bad ideas. Not meant as a dig at you -- those people are out there, and they're here on this board too, as we've seen a million times.

You're arguing a case that I'm not really making, but I may be making myself rather unclear. Naturally lots of government provided programs like that are not actually "sustainable" and "stimulative," but given the other ways that our government does hand out cash to people, food stamps are actually good and help the economy. In helping people afford to eat, that money gets put back into circulation and has an effect long past the person eating food.

"You" is not usually taken as a generic designation


Stimulus in an economic sense:

•Economic aid granted by a government to citizens and/or industry to try and spur growth within the economy.

Food stamps dont spur growth.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

"You" is not usually taken as a generic designation

And "if" is not usually taken to be a condemnation.

If you're of the mind that the govt. helping the poor eat is a bad idea altogether, then surely they're a bad idea

Which was a rather reasonable thing to ask, considering the kinds of things that get said around here about helping the poor by some other people.

So "if" you're of the mind that govt. helping poor people at is a bad idea is what I said.

Apparently you're not, so that portion no longer applies to you. No need to get all defensive about it and call a completely reasonable "if" "petty."

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And "if" is not usually taken to be a condemnation.



Which was a rather reasonable thing to ask, considering the kinds of things that get said around here about helping the poor by some other people.

So "if" you're of the mind that govt. helping poor people at is a bad idea is what I said.

Apparently you're not, so that portion no longer applies to you. No need to get all defensive about it and call a completely reasonable "if" "petty."

I only think its okay to a certain extent. its way to easy for fraud situations and it should only be offered for a minimal amount of time to help people back on their feet.

of course for people with disabilities I have a completely supportive view.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by notyep59

another great post.....any time you get to throw "teleprompter" in there , you should feel like you've accomplished something for the betterment of the world. you and nascar should be so proud to be on the same team.

Im proud to be on the same team as dellinger63. At I know two people here have some common sense.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

This is true. You do know that they actually are good to stimulate the economy, right?

especially when they're sold for 50 cents on the dollar and go for crack to keep momma happy!

Because they who buy the food stamps invest?