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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The point about broodmare value is that as long as grade 1s are so important for broodmare value, you're never going to get really easy grade 1s.

You have to remember that one of the reasons these races out west have been so easy is because Z is scaring the competition away. If Z wasn't in these races, you would have more shippers from the east coast coming out west to win a grade I. Top mares from the east coast don't want to fly out west to face Z. If Z wasn't in these races, you would have more of thse top mares coming out west for a grade I. It's not Z's fault that she's scaring the competition away.

You're contradicting yourself. "As long as Grade 1's are important for broodmare value, there aren't easy Grade 1's. The reason these Grade 1's are so easy.."

Your point is, essentially, there are no California synthetic mares who can beat Zenyatta. Truly groundbreaking stuff. The "no east coast shippers want to take on Zenyatta" thing holds no water, because the playing field is not even close to level for dirt horses on the crap Zenyatta runs on. If Zenyatta weren't in these races, you may get two or three east coast dirt horses a year spinning the roulette wheel on synthetic, but the difference would be negligible. It's mainly the surface and its neutralization of dirt horses.

And please, I'm begging you, stop starting sentences with "It's not Zenyatta's fault.." It's completely meaningless. Who's blaming the actual horse? The connections are chickenshit. You have no counterargument.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're contradicting yourself. "As long as Grade 1's are important for broodmare value, there aren't easy Grade 1's. The reason these Grade 1's are so easy.."

Your point is, essentially, there are no California synthetic mares who can beat Zenyatta. Truly groundbreaking stuff. The "no east coast shippers want to take on Zenyatta" thing holds no water, because the playing field is not even close to level for dirt horses on the crap Zenyatta runs on. If Zenyatta weren't in these races, you may get two or three east coast dirt horses a year spinning the roulette wheel on synthetic, but the difference would be negligible. It's mainly the surface and its neutralization of dirt horses.

And please, I'm begging you, stop starting sentences with "It's not Zenyatta's fault.." It's completely meaningless. Who's blaming the actual horse? The connections are chickenshit. You have no counterargument.

I agree with you that having synthetic tracks out west definitely prevents some east coast horses from coming out for these grade 1s. Some trainers may not feel that their horse will handle a synthetic track, and rightfully so in many cases.

So I agree that the synthetic track does stop some horses from shipping out west for a grade I. But that is not the only reason. Not wanting to face Z is a big part of it too. If Z isn't in there, you're going to have more guys rolling the dice and shipping out west to take a chance to win a grade I and increase their mare's value dramatically.

When I say "it's not Z's fault", I mean it's not her connections fault that people don't want to face her.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

When I say "it's not Z's fault", I mean it's not her connections fault that people don't want to face her.

Correct, but she should be well past the point in her career where they let other horses come to her. She's proven every single thing she can possibly prove against SoCal mares on synthetic.