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Old 08-08-2010, 10:12 PM
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So her personality. . . or whatever you want to call it. . . changes when she's on dirt? Maybe you should just stay out of this thread. I don't want your head to explode.
Shes better on dirt and her connections suck, what else is there to say?
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:15 PM
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Shes better on dirt and her connections suck, what else is there to say?
You must have missed something trying to read this through the tears caused by Doug's betrayal.

I asked--specifically and clearly--how she was able to win a race by 4 1/4 lengths (the surface is irrelevant) if she's always running down to her competition?
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:16 PM
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I don't care really. Who does she run against next? Bernie from that popular 80's movie?
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:22 PM
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You must have missed something trying to read this through the tears caused by Doug's betrayal.

I asked--specifically and clearly--how she was able to win a race by 4 1/4 lengths (the surface is irrelevant) if she's always running down to her competition?

For some reasson your taking personal shots at me, I dont really know why...
So I will say this, Im pretty sure you told me last year Z was better then Rachel. Im also pretty sure you told me Z would like 10f a lot better, we are talking about 12 months now so I might be wrong. There are how many Z threads up right now, this could not fit in somewhere else? The surface is not irrelevant??? WTF, how is the surface not important? Your such a ****ing know it all about everything and I dont think you realize how smug you come off sometimes. If anything I have no problem at all bashing the connections, but I think its clear she likes dirt more, she just moves better over it and seems to win MUCH EASIER.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:32 PM
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For some reasson your taking personal shots at me, I dont really know why...
So I will say this, Im pretty sure you told me last year Z was better then Rachel. Im also pretty sure you told me Z would like 10f a lot better, we are talking about 12 months now so I might be wrong. There are how many Z threads up right now, this could not fit in somewhere else? The surface is not irrelevant??? WTF, how is the surface not important? Your such a ****ing know it all about everything and I dont think you realize how smug you come off sometimes. If anything I have no problem at all bashing the connections, but I think its clear she likes dirt more, she just moves better over it and seems to win MUCH EASIER.
It's hard not to take personal shots when you come at me with something so weak. . . First of all. . . I NEVER said Z was better. Never ever ever ever. . . Maybe I said she would have won the Woodward.

I was trying to prove a multi-tiered point, but it was stupid of me to try here.

Now listen - one more time.

Many have claimed that the reason Zenyatta only beats her VASTLY inferior opponents (I don't disagree with the inferior part) by small margins in some cases is that she is "toying" with them in some way. . . that she's just so superior that she can keep them behind her by just enough every time without ever really fully extending herself. But, if this theory holds any weight, then why did she win the Apple Blossom by so many lengths? Hmm. . .

There were a few answers that could have been acceptable and held merit, but it's clear that Zenyatta fans, like yourself, are incapable of having an intelligent, rational conversation about her. . . you all kind of sound like religious nuts to me.

Smug enough for you?
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:38 PM
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Lisa's Booby Trap will viciously attack Zenyatta in the BCC post parade for giving her man a provocative neigh in the paddock.

Then Captain Ahab will celebrate Boobies stunning win in the BCC by heading over to The Thoroughbred Lounge on Dixie and finding solace in a bottle of Evan Williams and a few rounds of motorboatin.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:39 PM
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Lisa's Booby Trap will viciously attack Zenyatta in the BCC post parade for giving her man a provocative neigh in the paddock.

Then Captain Ahab will celebrate Boobies stunning win in the BCC by heading over to The Thoroughbred Lounge on Dixie and finding solace in a bottle of Evan Williams and a few rounds of motorboatin.
And this would draw in the WWE fans.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:41 PM
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I think Z is better, I like Rachel. I hope she kills the PE. That's been my stance all along, I respect and appreciate Rachel, but I think Z is better. Pretty simple, no?
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Hockey, the simple answer is because she's not toying with anyone.

She was all out in her last two races and clearly laying her body down and straining. The whip was out both times.

It's hard to win by big margins in synthetic races - and even harded when the pacesetters go slow and have some finish left in them.

On dirt - she blew by Taptam and Be Fair because both horses were running early - and you have to run harder throughout on dirt. They are more demanding races - and will be won by margins.

Basically - the notion that she's measuring these horses and could have won by larger margins is competely idiotic.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:40 PM
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Hockey, the simple answer is because she's not toying with anyone.

She was all out in her last two races and clearly laying her body down and straining. The whip was out both times.

It's hard to win by big margins in synthetic races - and even harded when the pacesetters go slow and have some finish left in them.

On dirt - she blew by Taptam and Be Fair because both horses were running early - and you have to run harder throughout on dirt. They are more demanding races - and will be won by margins.

Basically - the notion that she's measuring these horses and could have won by larger margins is competely idiotic.
I knew you knew the answer. . . Can I take Joe's place as your facebook BFF?
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:41 PM
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I knew you knew the answer. . . Can I take Joe's place as your facebook BFF?
You guys can share doug's sock.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:44 PM
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I knew you knew the answer. . . Can I take Joe's place as your facebook BFF?


Your out of control.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:43 PM
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Many have claimed that the reason Zenyatta only beats her VASTLY inferior opponents (I don't disagree with the inferior part) by small margins in some cases is that she is "toying" with them in some way. . . that she's just so superior that she can keep them behind her by just enough every time without ever really fully extending herself. But, if this theory holds any weight, then why did she win the Apple Blossom by so many lengths? Hmm. . .
I'm a supporter and I've never made the case that she 'toys' with fields. But I've "answered" your question on a number of occasions. Z has run significantly more wipeouts than an other horse I've charted. What's significant about this is that wipeouts are much more prevalent on dirt (especially off tracks) than on turf or poly. If she wipes em out so prolifically on poly, it's easy to see why both her dirt races have been pronounced wipeouts. It makes sense; really.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:15 PM
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Ill stay out now, excuse me....Ill try to stay out.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:21 PM
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Shes better on dirt and her connections suck, what else is there to say?
I'm a big John Shirreffs fan - and his handling of Zenyatta is the single greatest piece of management of a good horse I've ever seen. Even Bobby Frankel wouldn't dream of handling a good horse like this one has been handled.

However, his handling of her sucks bigtime if you're a serious racing fan who likes to see good match-ups.

Worst of all ... I hate her fans. Her fans I've encountered on facebook have only been like gas on the fire.
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