8/7 (DMR): Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1)

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How exactly is RA an afterthought?

Because she lost her first two off of a 9 month layoff for a guy who is a statistical deadbeat as a layoff trainer?

If St. Trinians simply broke cleanly in the Vanity - there's no possible way Zenyatta would still be undefeated.

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by robfla

You don't think more casual fans and even non-racing folks would tune in to watch an undefeated female against an undefeated male if the race was promoted well beforehand? Sure RA v. Zenyatta would draw racing fans but I thought the sport wanted to draw new fans.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

You don't think more casual fans and even non-racing folks would tune in to watch an undefeated female against an undefeated male if the race was promoted well beforehand? Sure RA v. Zenyatta would draw racing fans but I thought the sport wanted to draw new fans.

A lot of these supposed new fans won't be impressed when a Volponi type horse jumps up and easily beats both of these overrated horses.

Something as simple as Ramon Dominguez's riding tactics on Haynesfield is all that prevented Musket Man from winning the Whitney yesterday. Which he certainly would have if Haynesfield did all the doggy work - instead of him being forced to come outside of Haynesfield and try to do it.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

A lot of these supposed new fans won't be impressed when a Volponi type horse jumps up and easily beats both of these overrated horses.

Something as simple as Ramon Dominguez's riding tactics on Haynesfield is all that prevented Musket Man from winning the Whitney yesterday. Which he certainly would have if Haynesfield did all the doggy work - instead of him being forced to come outside of Haynesfield and try to do it.

The classic hasn't been run yet and Blame won the Whitney. Can't change what happened nor predict what will. I won't try.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

The classic hasn't been run yet and Blame won the Whitney. Can't change what happened nor predict what will. I won't try.

Who cares who "won" the race?

That only matters if you own the horse, train the horse, rode the horse, or in that instance bet the horse.

If you attract new people to racing who "won't try" to predict what will happen ... what good would this possibly do? Other than create more people who think Pepper's Pride would beat Sharp Cat.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Who cares who "won" the race?

That only matters if you own the horse, train the horse, rode the horse, or in that instance bet the horse.

If you attract new people to racing who "won't try" to predict what will happen ... what good would this possibly do? Other than create more people who think Pepper's Pride would beat Sharp Cat.

I did bet the horse so I guess it matters to me. Does that mean I'll bet him in the BC? As I said in an above post, I'll wait and see who enters first.
You look at a race and form your opinion and that's fine. I may look at it and form a different opinion. Betting is all about opinions.

(Isn't Sharp Cat deceased in which case I'll pick Pepper's Pride to win.)

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

Enlighten me again why we should be so concerned about casual fans and younger fans?

Unless you aren't a fan of the game you know about Blame. This idea that the "casual" fan is ever going to become a betting fan has been proven to be a myth time and time again. The cold hard truth is that there isn't going to be a game for these younger generation fans to grow to love (or bet on which is the only tangible way to support the sport as a fan) unless the real fans aren't focused on.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Casual fans who do not have much knowledge of the game, they do not care about Blame.

Rachel on the other hand draws the attention of thousands of younger fans...even if they aren't on the track, I believe they are following her, much more than Blame at least.

I disagree. My friend was up for the weekend. She follows Trotters more than TBs but she does watch the TC races and the Breeders Cup. She knew who Zenyatta was and she did ask "whatever happened to that filly that won the Preakness last year?". Casual fans don't have TVG or HRTV. They don't have to know Blame's name. The girl v. boy angle would attract more attention I believe.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

RA hasn't shown she's the same horse as last year. Blame is the top male in his handicap division at this time. I would be more excited to see a match up in the classic between Zenyatta and Blame than I would be to see Zenyatta and RA in the Distaff. I also think it would be better for the sport and get more publicity if it was the former. Again, it's just my personal opinion.

RA and Blame ran on the same day and distance on Foster day.

Anyone who thinks Blame would toy with her is fooling themselves.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

RA and Blame ran on the same day and distance on Foster day.

Anyone who thinks Blame would toy with her is fooling themselves.

But the classic is 1 1/4 and I will let all of them settle it on the track instead of trying to guess who will win.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

But the classic is 1 1/4 and I will let all of them settle it on the track instead of trying to guess who will win.

I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

I think I'll wait and see who enters first.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

I think I'll wait and see who enters first.

Its ok, Im keeping it to myself this time.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Its ok, Im keeping it to myself this time.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think its pretty clear who is going to win the Classic now......

OK you might as well tell us the future.

The winner of the 2010 BC Classic will be _____________________!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

OK you might as well tell us the future.

The winner of the 2010 BC Classic will be _____________________!

I cant and wont discuss it right now.