8/8 (SAR): A. G. Vanderbilt H. (G1), Honorable Miss H. (G2)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I would love to make a head to head wager with you but I don't know you for nothin.

Yeah ask about me, I'm a crook.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't see this going 1-2 or 2-1 around the track, for a number of reasons:

1) the track was playing fair today and I'm assuming it'll be fair tomorrow

2) Coa is not that patient

3) Majesticperfection has yet to show he can beat a quality field

4) Smokey Fire chased and beat better/faster horses than these up at WO . Don't know if he handles dirt, of course.

I'm intrigued by Mambo Meister. He put in an against the grain run last out in his 1st sprint in who knows how long. He should only be sharper sprinting after that effort and maybe won't need a pace collapse (like Bribon does).

1) The track can play as fair as can be, if the fractions are soft, the pacesetters will rule.

2) Coa may not be patient, but he's not dumb. He knows that if he sends Big Drama, he'll get dueled into the ground. He prefers second money over finishing last.

3) This is true obviously, but he's fast early and if he gets any kind of breather, he'll be tough to catch regardless of what he's previously done.

4) Smokey Fire doesn't have the early lick that either Majesticperfection or Big Drama do. He may indeed be a very nice horse, and he scares me, but he'll have to win from off the pace.

If Mambo Meister ever wins a Grade I at six furlongs, I'll eat my NYRA Rewards card. Bribon doesn't need a pace collapse to win either, in fact, that's one of his strengths. What race were you watching in the True North? It hardly collapsed for him. The final furlong was run in under :12 (almost unheard of in graded sprints) and the horses who ran 1-2-3-4 early ran 3-4-2-5 behind Bribon, who closed from last. It was a very impressive run.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If Mambo Meister ever wins a Grade I at six furlongs, I'll eat my NYRA Rewards card. Bribon doesn't need a pace collapse to win either, in fact, that's one of his strengths. What race were you watching in the True North? It hardly collapsed for him. The final furlong was run in under :12 (almost unheard of in graded sprints) and the horses who ran 1-2-3-4 early ran 3-4-2-5 behind Bribon, who closed from last. It was a very impressive run.

This was a layered run that set up for the last mover, who happened to be Bribon. Unless you expected Elusive Warning, More Than A Reason, Fantasy Free or Gato To Win to be coming late. You know, he's made some nice runs but I fail to find a race of his where he gained on a field that was hanging around till the end --- which is what MM did last out.