8/7 (DMR): Clement L. Hirsch S. (G1) - Page 8

Merlinsky · #**141** 08-07-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

I think what you meant to say about Zenyatta was "Thank you, your Majesty. May I have another?"

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

She apparently did not ship great when she went to Oaklawn this year. The trip knocked her out and she lost weight. Knowing that, why would they want to ship her again this year before they ship her to Kentucky in November for the BC Classic? Why would they want to knock her out before the big race?

All horses are different. Some horses handle shipping really well and others don't. Going into this year, I think they were planning on shipping quite a bit this year. But since she didn't handle it particulary well, they're not going to do it again before the BC Classic. I guess there is a small chance that they will ship her for her final prep but I would say the odds are against it.

I agree. I think they would most like a chance to go after not only Rachel but your Quality Road, Blame, Rail Trip, etc in one go. I think they're concerned about what could happen in the Classic if they go for the Beldame first this year. I think they were tempted by the race last year because they go back for the Classic on their home "plastic," but this time, we're talking non-home environment #2 and that wouldn't do her any favors (assuming there are actually shipping issues). I feel like there's a very good reason we haven't seen 2 "eastern" races back to back which is a shame because it has zero to do with her talent. Sure her issue with Churchill last year was weather related but was any of it connected with shipping strain? I guess at least this year post-Oaklawn it's obvious that it's stressful for her. Might almost be better if she doesn't come to the Beldame so we get the best Z possible for the BCC. This assumes of course that I'm not completely misreading the situation, and she actually is fine with shipping. In the event of that, oops.

Danzig · #**142** 08-07-2010, 10:34 PM

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

10 pnt move up · #**143** 08-07-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

So why point the horse to a race at a surface they don't like? That's stupid. Are they really that afraid of shipping/losing?

I guess she lost a **** load of weight and her training tailed off after Oaklawn this past time, but I guess so because they ran.

Revidere · #**144** 08-07-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

That race hands down had to of been the worst G1 field in the history of horse racing. Everyone involved in putting that race together and being apart of it should hang their heads in shame. That was NOT horse racing. It was a sham and Zenyatta was almost embarrassed.

As embarrassed as Quality Road not being able to bring home the Whitney afte a 48 and change half?

Let's see, the 2009 Derby winner up the track. The winner of the Suburban, up the track (please spare me the argument. He beat the M/L Derby fave) Musket Man? Musket Man = Jaques Who.

It's Blame vs. Zenyatta closing as evening falls at the Downs.

tiggerv · #**145** 08-07-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You must have missed that press snippet where he wanted to make sure all of her fans in California get to see her one last time, again.

Always putting the fans first. Classy.

Rupert Pupkin · #**146** 08-07-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Rupert don't comment on things you have no clue on. A horse racing fan follows things like the Eclipse awards, please don't make **** up. His actions are understated in this article. I wanted to vomit on him after watching his lack of class.

http://fhiers.blogs.ocala.com/10027/...oic-face-down/

I had totally forgotten about that quote. Fair enough, I can see why people would criticize him for that. I personally don't think it was a big deal. The guy was obviously very disappointed. He obviously felt he deserved to win and he was a little pissed off. We have all said things in the heat of the moment that we shouldn't have.

The guy had one bad moment. But overall, I think he was pretty gracious with his praise of RA with the exception of that one moment.

If that is the worst moment that he's had, I think he's doing better than me. I've certainly been a poor sport before.

tiggerv · #**147** 08-07-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I guess she lost a **** load of weight and her training tailed off after Oaklawn this past time, but I guess so because they ran.

If they shipped her more than once a year then she might become used to it.

Merlinsky · #**148** 08-07-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

Well because she's better on dirt, and they want to swoop in, beat all the big east coast challengers, and get HOY. I think they figure they can kill multiple birds with one stone here. They get her to enjoy all year in their own backyard, only have to ship once, and then voila she beats the prospective HOY candidates. They would at least have the co-win streak with Pepper's Pride (and obviously the most G1s w/o a loss) followed by the win they figure they get in the BCC, making her the leader outright.

the_fat_man · #**149** 08-07-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Even if the race dynamics don't suit her - she just beat a horse who's lost 20 out of her last 21 races by about a neck.

The race was a workout for her. What exactly did you want to see out of her? The 2nd horse set a ridiculously slow pace and was inside, while Z was widest on the turn, moved too soon, and gained the lead with the length of the stretch yet to be run. For me, it's enough that she maintained an easy advantage to the wire under less than advantageous conditions.

You've never seen a bad horse beat a much better one under similar dynamics?

geeker2 · #**150** 08-07-2010, 10:46 PM

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10 pnt move up · #**151** 08-07-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv

If they shipped her more than once a year then she might become used to it.

true, did not happen in 08', at least not to the degree this year.

randallscott35 · #**152** 08-07-2010, 10:48 PM

I'm assuming that finger doesn't represent paths from the rail?

letswastemoney · #**153** 08-07-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Revidere

As embarrassed as Quality Road not being able to bring home the Whitney afte a 48 and change half?

Let's see, the 2009 Derby winner up the track. The winner of the Suburban, up the track (please spare me the argument. He beat the M/L Derby fave) Musket Man? Musket Man = Jaques Who.

It's Blame vs. Zenyatta closing as evening falls at the Downs.

There's a huge difference in attempting to hold off Blame and attempting to run down Rinterval...

QR is placed in spots he can lose. Zenyatta is placed in spots where she would be embarrassed to lose.

Danzig · #**154** 08-07-2010, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Well because she's better on dirt, and they want to swoop in, beat all the big east coast challengers, and get HOY. I think they figure they can kill multiple birds with one stone here. They get her to enjoy all year in their own backyard, only have to ship once, and then voila she beats the prospective HOY candidates. They would at least have the co-win streak with Pepper's Pride (and obviously the most G1s w/o a loss) followed by the win they figure they get in the BCC, making her the leader outright.

well, according to tvg ( i listened on the radio) she's the best horse in america right now-this was before her win this afternoon. i would disagree and say that must be blame after his win over QR...
anyway, she doesn't need much money to be the top money earner in the distaff division...
i'd like to see her go east, i just won't hold my breath waiting for it. there goals are different from all of ours (they own her, it's their right!). they are stressing the win streak most of all. if they get it, and already have the classic win, why do another? they can get the money and the wins at home. and of course i read their 'we want to support cali racing' comment the other day.
zenyatta is obviously a very special horse. can't say i blame them for wanting to keep her close by. i just wish they'd have been willing to take on the boys this year. she handled them just fine last fall. winning a pac classic or hollywood gold cup would have looked so good on her record.

Rupert Pupkin · #**155** 08-07-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Ok, you have always seemed like an honest stand up guy who knows what he's talking about, so I will concede the weight loss thing to you as you are in a much better position to know than I am.

But cmon, you are pulling my leg on the Mosses, right???

I constantly hear s-h-i-t about a lot of owners. I constantly hear that this person is an a-hole and that person is a prick, etc. But I've never heard anything bad about the Mosses. They are extremely popular. Everyone likes them.

I did hear one kind of funny thing about Moss. I know a guy who grew up with Moss in New York. When they were both 19 years old, they were pretty much broke. They had no money and they were working for peanuts. Anyway, he told me that Moss does not like talking about those days at all. It's a real sore subject with him. He is worth several hundred million dollars now and I guess he doesn't like to be reminded about the days when he was broke.

Theatrical · #**156** 08-07-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

LOL. You know nothing about this mare. Nothing. Zero. Nada

Revidere · #**157** 08-07-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There's a huge difference in attempting to hold off Blame and attempting to run down Rinterval...

QR is placed in spots he can lose. Zenyatta is placed in spots where she would be embarrassed to lose.

He was 2/5 in the M/L!!!!! All of a sudden Blame is Kelso, Forego rolled into one.

Trust me, off those slow fractions, it was embarrasing for Quality road to lose.
Must have been the braid.

Revidere · #**158** 08-07-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Well because she's better on dirt, and they want to swoop in, beat all the big east coast challengers, and get HOY. I think they figure they can kill multiple birds with one stone here. They get her to enjoy all year in their own backyard, only have to ship once, and then voila she beats the prospective HOY candidates. They would at least have the co-win streak with Pepper's Pride (and obviously the most G1s w/o a loss) followed by the win they figure they get in the BCC, making her the leader outright.

And Quality Road has shipped where? Oh I forgot Florida. Belmont south.

hockey2315 · #**159** 08-07-2010, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Revidere

He was 2/5 in the M/L!!!!! All of a sudden Blame is Kelso, Forego rolled into one.

Trust me, off those slow fractions, it was embarrasing for Quality road to lose.
Must have been the braid.

So Rinterval and Blame are basically equals? Quality Road looked very flat today, but come on.

stonegossard · #**160** 08-07-2010, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You've never been around a brutal Narcissist. All you people are pssd about her, but you tune in to get your punishment. You all think (for at least a couple seconds each race) that you might have her beat. Then she punishes you yet again. Most of ya been trying to get her beat for what? 10 races? She punishes you, but also wants to keep giving you hope. That way, she knows you'll come back for another beating. You have a huge shot at beating her with BLAME, but don't bet money that you need.

Then in the end the voters for HOY punisher her for her lame campaigns. Because of The Moss's ridiculously conservative/boring campaign she will once again lose HOY honors. What ever happened to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZenyatta's connections planning a different 2010 campaign so fans at different racetracks could see her? I guess that tough race at OP against that monster field was enough.

Hopefully The Moss's will be content yet again to win Older Female Horse and nothing more. If she even wins that.