Zenyatta to the Beldame after Saturday

RockHardTen1985 · #1 08-05-2010, 09:31 AM

I know because all those AMAZING east coast fillies have shipped out to Cali to take all those G1's from Zenyatta, right?
Easy money according to Doug, why not ship out there and try to beat or at worse run second in how many G1's over the last 3 years?

slotdirt · #2 08-05-2010, 09:37 AM

You do realize, RHT, that East Coast fillies run on dirt, right? And that there aren't any dirt tracks with GI races in California, right? I just want to make sure you're clear on that concept.

RockHardTen1985 · #3 08-05-2010, 09:38 AM

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You do realize, RHT, that East Coast fillies run on dirt, right? And that there aren't any dirt tracks with GI races in California, right? I just want to make sure you're clear on that concept.

O ok, I understand now. Since Z has "ONLY" shipped to run on dirt twice, lets do it this way...

Did Rachel ship twice to try synthetics? Breeders Cup was on synthetics last year, where was she?

slotdirt · #4 08-05-2010, 09:42 AM

I'm not sure you're understanding me, young RHT. They don't run on dirt in California. Why would a dirt horse ship to run on something other than dirt?

CSC · #5 08-05-2010, 09:44 AM

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I'm not sure you're understanding me, young RHT. They don't run on dirt in California. Why would a dirt horse ship to run on something other than dirt?

Seeing how Jackson has mapped out her campaign in 2010, do you honestly believe he would ship her out to The Clement Hirsch to face Zenyatta if Delmar was a dirt track? I'm certainly not that gullable.

slotdirt · #6 08-05-2010, 09:46 AM

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Seeing how Jackson has mapped out her campaign in 2010, do you honestly believe he would ship her out to The Clement Hirsch to face Zenyatta if Delmar was a dirt track? I'm certainly not that gullable.

If California had dirt tracks, I'm 99 percent positive we would have already seen a Zenyatta-Rachel Alexandra matchup and nobody would have watched because both Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta would have lost at some point already.

CSC · #7 08-05-2010, 09:48 AM

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If California had dirt tracks, I'm 99 percent positive we would have already seen a Zenyatta-Rachel Alexandra matchup and nobody would have watched because both Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta would have lost at some point already.

I can't be 99% sure as you are, though I will say is it more likely. But not a chance Jackson would be in So Cal to face Zenyatta in the Clement Hirsch if that race was on dirt, that I am 99.99% sure.

Danzig · #8 08-05-2010, 09:46 AM

had cali not mandated all the awt's, and the bc been held on dirt last fall, there's no doubt in my mind rachel would have run a different campaign, and been at the bc.

perhaps people aren't happy with the zenyatta camp because they said they were going to travel with her this year, and let her fans see her.

Handicappy · #9 08-08-2010, 09:26 PM

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had cali not mandated all the awt's, and the bc been held on dirt last fall, there's no doubt in my mind rachel would have run a different campaign, and been at the bc.

perhaps people aren't happy with the zenyatta camp because they said they were going to travel with her this year, and let her fans see her.

oh, there's no doubt in your mind? So you are Jesse Jackson? Maybe Steve Assmussan? No? An assistant to ....? No. Oh, you work at the track where she was stabled and saw her and talked to the connections? No. Hummmm.

There is no doubt in my mind that unless you qualify for any of the above categories, I have no doubt in MY mind that YOU don't know what you are talking about.

MaTH716 · #10 08-05-2010, 09:52 AM

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Seeing how Jackson has mapped out her campaign in 2010, do you honestly believe he would ship her out to The Clement Hirsch to face Zenyatta if Delmar was a dirt track? I'm certainly not that gullable.

I don't know if it's fair to say that. Agreed that JJ will not win any popularity contests in the near future. But how do you know that any California races wouldn't be on their map if in fact they ran on dirt out there? California isn't in play for them so they scheduled, not well but accordingly. Who knows, maybe the BC would have been in play last year instead of the Woodward. It's not a surface they want to run her on, so they can't be blamed for not racing there.

CSC · #11 08-05-2010, 09:55 AM

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I don't know if it's fair to say that. Agreed that JJ will not win any popularity contests in the near future. But how do you know that any California races wouldn't be on their map if in fact they ran on dirt out there? California isn't in play for them so they scheduled, not well but accordingly. Who knows, maybe the BC would have been in play last year instead of the Woodward. It's not a surface they want to run her on, so they can't be blamed for not racing there.

Fair points. Mine is just my opinion alone, I think he has shown himself to be less than sporting than what was once believed.

RockHardTen1985 · #12 08-05-2010, 09:46 AM

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I'm not sure you're understanding me, young RHT. They don't run on dirt in California. Why would a dirt horse ship to run on something other than dirt?

So why is this acceptable? Synthetics are a part of the game, they run over synthetics at Keeneland, one could argue the best other then Toga.
Is it because people cant except change, or is it because Beyer people cant make figures the right way for synthetic races?

Dahoss · #13 08-05-2010, 09:49 AM

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Is it because people cant except change, or is it because Beyer people cant make figures the right way for synthetic races?

Oh boy.

slotdirt · #14 08-05-2010, 09:52 AM

You know what I think is sad? That Rachel Alexandra, faults and all, has run at one fewer track this season (three) than Zenyatta has (four) in her entire career. How many top notch horses run 17 races and only manage to visit four different locales? Southern Image ran in as many places and that dang horse only started like eight times.

CSC · #15 08-05-2010, 09:54 AM

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Oh boy.

This is not as far fetched as you may believe, there is a anti synth bias that exists, you know this. We know Beyer has struggled with synth figs where he had to go into a long explanation of adjusting them last year.

RockHardTen1985 · #16 08-05-2010, 10:19 AM

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Oh boy.

A waste of a response. If you want to bash me, at least do it with some sort of response to the subject.

Scav · #17 08-05-2010, 09:50 AM

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So why is this acceptable? Synthetics are a part of the game, they run over synthetics at Keeneland, one could argue the best other then Toga.
Is it because people cant except change, or is it because Beyer people cant make figures the right way for synthetic races?

Its change

Our generation is fine with it, the old cranky people set in their ways just bitch and complain instead of educating themselves on it. It isn't like they can't just avoid it.

Bet you take a poll and people from 0-30 are fine with synthetics, people from 31-40 will be unfavored, and people 41+ the majority will hate it.

Dahoss · #18 08-05-2010, 09:57 AM

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Its change

Our generation is fine with it, the old cranky people set in their ways just bitch and complain instead of educating themselves on it. It isn't like they can't just avoid it.

Bet you take a poll and people from 0-30 are fine with synthetics, people from 31-40 will be unfavored, and people 41+ the majority will hate it.

Dude, be serious for a second. Look at what Slotdirt is saying. The reason why dirt horses don't ship to California is the surface. That has nothing to do with people not accepting (or excepting) change. It's a third surface. Just like if the entire state if New York had only dirt races. You'd understand why the turf horses weren't shipping in to run.

Why people don't like synthetics for racing is an entirely different conversation.

Indian Charlie · #19 08-05-2010, 10:06 AM

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Its change

Bet you take a poll and people from 0-30 are retarded, people from 31-40 will be just dumb, and people 41+ will have a clue.

FTFY.

Antitrust32 · #20 08-05-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Its change

Our generation is fine with it, the old cranky people set in their ways just bitch and complain instead of educating themselves on it. It isn't like they can't just avoid it.

Bet you take a poll and people from 0-30 are fine with synthetics, people from 31-40 will be unfavored, and people 41+ the majority will hate it.

I cant stand synthetics.

how old are you again?