8/1 (MTH): Haskell (G1), Oceanport & Matchmaker (G3's)

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Joel Rosario's ridden almost 5,000 mounts for his entire career and he's showing a flat bet profit with them.

In 2010, he's 37-for-131 with a 28% win percentage and a $2.75 ROI in synthetic routes.

And yes - if you spend a few years watching Rosario ride and spend a few years watching Garcia ride ... one guy is like a Ruth Chris steak and the other guy is like the angus burger from burger king.

I don't care how Rosario is doing in synthetic routes this year. You're picking and choosing stats to try to strengthen your argument. Let's compare apples to apples. You said that Garcia's ROI for 2010 is $1.60. What is Rosario's ROI for 2010? What is Dominguez' ROI for 2010? What is John Velaquez' ROI for 2010?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't care how Rosario is doing in synthetic routes this year. You're picking and choosing stats to try to strengthen your argument. Let's compare apples to apples. You said that Garcia's ROI for 2010 is $1.60. What is Rosario's ROI for 2010? What is Dominguez' ROI for 2010? What is John Velaquez' ROI for 2010?

Rosario $1.86 - The single worst year of his entire career - not because he's riding any worse but because his name recognition hurts him now - where it helped him when he was considered a nobuddy a few years ago.

Dominguez - $1.61 - he's winning 25% for the year and was once king in the ROI stat for several years about 12 years ago. He hasn't tailed off badly as a rider over the last two years - another case of name recognition hurting him.

Velazquez - $1.64 - He's the Martin Garcia of the East in terms of how he rides now.

The stats are just stats - you have to actually watch how these guys ride to appreciate how unspectacular Garcia is.