15 years....

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wouldn't bet on it ... even if it was live on the board like so many others have been ..that's for sure.

There are also two very pricey Bernardini debuters in there - A. P. Indy's finest son perhaps - and he was off the board as a 3yo going 6f at GP in his debut before freaking when the distances increased.

It will happen eventually - but not with my money.

In terms of handicapping that race ... you have to let the board guide you. As it stands until the board starts to talk...

The 10 is best. The 4 is second best.

The 1 and 8 can't possibly win. They are debuters who certainly didn't do anything impressive undertack at the sales.

The 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 9 all are very nicely bred horses with good connections - atleast one of them will probably end up being a very serious horse - but you want to bet against 5 of the 6 unless they are rabidly live on the board... the Indian Charlie debuter would be usable if he's just live instead of rabidly live.

Who was that AP Indy you referred to who ended up winning $400,000?

Bernardini just had a very impressive winner at Newmarket - who also needed her first start. I'm rooting for the Bernardinis, but although they are working well, I expect them to need a start. The only one who hasn't thus far is AZ Warrior. I'm still waiting for Stay Thirsty to work again.........

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Who was that AP Indy you referred to who ended up winning $400,000?

I forget the name - Barry Schwartz owned it.

I just did some browsing through a ton of old MTH result charts here to look for A.P. Indy debuters who've won at MTH over the years and I was able to find 3 who won at 6fs or less.




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Two of the three improved markedly in career start #2 .. both on the stretch-out - and the one who's form I don't have won his debut at odds of 1/5 with a very weak figure and faded as a big longshot in the Champagne Stakes next out.

It's just a matter of time before a horse who is too good for its competition like those 3 at MTH eventually gets it done at Saratoga going 6f or less.

[Betsy]

Thanks, Indomitable!

I loved Indian Vale...............

Friend's Lake was a NY-bred, but I don't know if he was owned by Schwartz.

I agree, one of these days it will happen - but I don't think it's a big deal or a suprise anyway. AP Indy horses don't win first out that much regardless of track.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It was Seeking The Glory I believe.

Friends Lake was 6th in his debut at Saratoga in a 6f NY Bred race.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Betsy

but I don't think it's a big deal or a suprise anyway. AP Indy horses don't win first out that much regardless of track.

It is a big deal because of the volume of money they burn. They're almost always very well backed.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It is a big deal because of the volume of money they burn. They're almost always very well backed.

No one loves Indy more than me, but maybe they shouldn't be backed first time out...........oh, and thanks for the info. I remember Seeking the Glory; he wasn't much - can't believe he won that much $$$