Polytrack devils advocates please respond

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

If I recall you're the one hellbent on Poly being unpredictable and bad for handicapping. I said that there isn't enough data to say whether poly is good or bad.

Looks like the ball is in your court. I'll stay on the side of the infidels...err redboarders, Mr. bin Laden...err oracle.

So you have no prediction but we can count on all the answers afterwards again? Thanks, thats what I expected.

Originally Posted by oracle80

So you have no prediction but we can count on all the answers afterwards again? Thanks, thats what I expected.

Good now take your ball and go home, ya big crybaby. Welcome to a world where people disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Good now take your ball and go home, ya big crybaby. Welcome to a world where people disagree with you.

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

I answered you in who i like and you told me that i didnt give an answer. What gives?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I answered you in who i like and you told me that i didnt give an answer. What gives?

Ok heres the thing Dalakhani.
If he wins the deils advocates will say it proves good horses will run on it right?
So if he loses doesn't that prove the inverse?
What I'm saying is that if you don't say before the race that you think he will win, you realy can't say afterwards that it proves anything.
You seeing my point?
Sorry to throw a wet blanket on the redboarding parade here lately, but thats my point.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ok heres the thing Dalakhani.
If he wins the deils advocates will say it proves good horses will run on it right?
So if he loses doesn't that prove the inverse?
What I'm saying is that if you don't say before the race that you think he will win, you realy can't say afterwards that it proves anything.
You seeing my point?
Sorry to throw a wet blanket on the redboarding parade here lately, but thats my point.

I do understand your point. And if there were more history behind the horse i would agree with you. But a two year old? I bet against chalky two year olds all the time.

I bet for value. I just dont see a horse unproven on a surface or two turns at even odds value.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I do understand your point. And if there were more history behind the horse i would agree with you. But a two year old? I bet against chalky two year olds all the time.

I bet for value. I just dont see a horse unproven on a surface or two turns at even odds value.

I agree, and wouldn't bet him with chinese money tomorrow because of the surface.
Since I'm not playing any races on Poly there this meet, grass only, why would I play that race anyway?
I'll handicap and watch intently, and not have to suffer through watching a horse who looks like With A City win a race I have bet. Its much less stress.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I do understand your point. And if there were more history behind the horse i would agree with you. But a two year old? I bet against chalky two year olds all the time.

I bet for value. I just dont see a horse unproven on a surface or two turns at even odds value.

Bingo!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

I saw that game and I think the emotion really carried nawlins as you say moreso than the surface.
They played like a team posessed.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I saw that game and I think the emotion really carried nawlins as you say moreso than the surface.
They played like a team posessed.

See? There simply isn't enough data to say whether the new turf is bad or good!!

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

See? There simply isn't enough data to say whether the new turf is bad or good!!

I agree with that to a lesser extent than you do. But agree somewhat. I'm not irrational.
But we had a firm policy at the old ESPN board where many of us came from that if you didn't post the thoughts before the race and tried to chirp afterwards, you were scorned and ridiculed and lambasted by the entire board. It kept redboarding to a minimum.
People who don't have DRF's or PP's who haven't seen a race thats being discussed(if its over already) have no business telling those who watched a race what they saw.
People who don't post thoughts before a race have no business crowing about how easy and obvious something is afterwards.
Maybe its a NY thing. You do that here at the track afterwards and are liable to get strangled. Its a beautiful thing.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

They were tripping over the players with the gold/black and white uniforms