Polytrack devils advocates please respond

[Pointg5]

Okay, it's not dartboard, but here's the reason I like the 3,4,5,6, I can't believe I am trying to figure this out:

French Transition:
Ran on turf and poly, ran reasonably well on both, so maybe he's versatile enough to handle it.

Teufleberg:
This one pains me more than anything, because I hate breeding cappers, they are morons in my book.
He's by Johannesburg, he could handle turf and dirt, maybe this one does, maybe not. He's run okay, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him win

Birdbirdistheword:
Bled in the nice maiden race, so we can forgive that effort, it was a key race and he's run well since. Maybe he'll handle the poly.

Passport:
Run on Turf and dirt and never lost, looks versatile, so maybe he'll run well. He's never lost and I will never hold that against a horse, regardless of competition.

This is pathetic, CQ is the man and I have to go with a bunch of maybe's, because of the Poly...

If I recall you're the one hellbent on Poly being unpredictable and bad for handicapping. I said that there isn't enough data to say whether poly is good or bad.

Looks like the ball is in your court. I'll stay on the side of the infidels...err redboarders, Mr. bin Laden...err oracle.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

If I recall you're the one hellbent on Poly being unpredictable and bad for handicapping. I said that there isn't enough data to say whether poly is good or bad.

Looks like the ball is in your court. I'll stay on the side of the infidels...err redboarders, Mr. bin Laden...err oracle.

You are 100% correct. There is not enough data. The only thing they are fairly certain of is it is better for horses and bad for veterinarians making money. Screw the gamblers. If they can't figure it out, too bad for them.

All I know is there are huge fields at Keeneland and little fields at Belmont this weekend. And Todd Pletcher has owners who want their horses on the poly.

Oracle's greatest horse ever, Circular Quay, is on the poly because the owner wants him on it. Enough said.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

If I recall you're the one hellbent on Poly being unpredictable and bad for handicapping. I said that there isn't enough data to say whether poly is good or bad.

Looks like the ball is in your court. I'll stay on the side of the infidels...err redboarders, Mr. bin Laden...err oracle.

So you have no prediction but we can count on all the answers afterwards again? Thanks, thats what I expected.

Originally Posted by oracle80

So you have no prediction but we can count on all the answers afterwards again? Thanks, thats what I expected.

Good now take your ball and go home, ya big crybaby. Welcome to a world where people disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Good now take your ball and go home, ya big crybaby. Welcome to a world where people disagree with you.

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

I answered you in who i like and you told me that i didnt give an answer. What gives?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I answered you in who i like and you told me that i didnt give an answer. What gives?

Ok heres the thing Dalakhani.
If he wins the deils advocates will say it proves good horses will run on it right?
So if he loses doesn't that prove the inverse?
What I'm saying is that if you don't say before the race that you think he will win, you realy can't say afterwards that it proves anything.
You seeing my point?
Sorry to throw a wet blanket on the redboarding parade here lately, but thats my point.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

I saw that game and I think the emotion really carried nawlins as you say moreso than the surface.
They played like a team posessed.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

They were tripping over the players with the gold/black and white uniforms

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Okay, it's not dartboard, but here's the reason I like the 3,4,5,6, I can't believe I am trying to figure this out:

French Transition:
Ran on turf and poly, ran reasonably well on both, so maybe he's versatile enough to handle it.

Teufleberg:
This one pains me more than anything, because I hate breeding cappers, they are morons in my book. He's by Johannesburg, he could handle turf and dirt, maybe this one does, maybe not. He's run okay, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him win

Birdbirdistheword:
Bled in the nice maiden race, so we can forgive that effort, it was a key race and he's run well since. Maybe he'll handle the poly.

Passport:
Run on Turf and dirt and never lost, looks versatile, so maybe he'll run well. He's never lost and I will never hold that against a horse, regardless of competition.

This is pathetic, CQ is the man and I have to go with a bunch of maybe's, because of the Poly...

Why are they morons Mwind?

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by GPK

Why are they morons Mwind?

I hate it, because it's rediculous to me, to look at a horse on paper and based on breeding he will do this or do that. There's no telling what he'll do and don't tell me that he will do such and such, because of who he's bred out of. I don't care if a horse is by Car Dealer or Froggywentacourt'n(2 Ohio Breds) if they are a good horse, they are good horse. When we get these posts of check out this hip or that hip in a sale, I want to vomit. Granted, not everyone wants to read what I have to say, I know that, but these people really no nothing other than some boring inbreeding or something like that. I got news for them, every AP Indy is not Bernardini...Give me a hard trying, fast, poorly bred horse any day of the week...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I hate it, because it's rediculous to me, to look at a horse on paper and based on breeding he will do this or do that. There's no telling what he'll do and don't tell me that he will do such and such, because of who he's bred out of. I don't care if a horse is by Car Dealer or Froggywentacourt'n(2 Ohio Breds) if they are a good horse, they are good horse. When we get these posts of check out this hip or that hip in a sale, I want to vomit. Granted, not everyone wants to read what I have to say, I know that, but these people really no nothing other than some boring inbreeding or something like that. I got news for them, every AP Indy is not Bernardini...Give me a hard trying, fast, poorly bred horse any day of the week...

I respect your opinion, but my feeling and actual experience is that I have won more than my share of maiden races on the turf because others are too lazy to do the work that is required to learn more about turf sires. All the better for me that people continue that trend, as it will continue to insure better prices for me in the end.