The Boss has passed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I dont know if you do this on purpose or if you are mildly illiterate. I am starting to think it is a combination of both.

Boston has one of the best minor league systems in the game. When did I say differently? All I said was that the 2004 title was won by players that they didnt grow. Even in 2007, only Youk and pedroia made real contributions of the every day players and only paplebon out of the staff. What championship team have they grown? What group of players have they brought up like the yankees or braves did? If anything, those two titles were bought.

This is what i said:


While Boston and the mets have more revenues than most everyone else they are still dwarfed by the Yankees. The Red Sox have been competitive because they have not only spent on FA's (though not to the degree of the yankees) but have a superior player development program. Of course having the extra cash to pay draftees over slot and the ability to re-sign its developed players matters too

Again you go off on tangents when it suits your argument. I clearly was refering to the Red Sox current managemnt teasm, namely Epstein who took over in 2003.

And the Red Sox hardly "bought" those championships, especially not the way the Yankees "bought" last years. The 2004 team had 1 mega FA signing on the team, Manny.
Do I have to rehash again?

2004 Red Sox
C- Varitek- acquired via minor league trade
1b-Millar -signed as FA- 2 million a year
2b-Bellhorn- acquired via trade was a player to be named later
SS-Reese - FA- 1 million a year
3b- Mueller - FA- 2.1 million a year
OF-kapler- FA- 750k a year
OF Damon- FA 7.1 million
Of- Manny- FA 22.5 million
others
Youlkilis -drafted
Dave Roberts-via trade
Carbera-via trade

Sp-Pedro-via trade
Sp-Shilling-via trade
Sp-Lowe-via trade
Arroyo- waiver claim
Wakefield- FA 4 million
Foulke -FA 3.5 million

Outside of manny all the other FA's that they "bought" made less combined than Jeter made in one year. Of course this had very little to do with the statement that I made about Epstein and the Red Sox doing a great job with player development which is pretty much standard knowledge.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is what i said:


While Boston and the mets have more revenues than most everyone else they are still dwarfed by the Yankees. The Red Sox have been competitive because they have not only spent on FA's (though not to the degree of the yankees) but have a superior player development program. Of course having the extra cash to pay draftees over slot and the ability to re-sign its developed players matters too

Again you go off on tangents when it suits your argument. I clearly was refering to the Red Sox current managemnt teasm, namely Epstein who took over in 2003.

And the Red Sox hardly "bought" those championships, especially not the way the Yankees "bought" last years. The 2004 team had 1 mega FA signing on the team, Manny.
Do I have to rehash again?

2004 Red Sox
C- Varitek- acquired via minor league trade
1b-Millar -signed as FA- 2 million a year
2b-Bellhorn- acquired via trade was a player to be named later
SS-Reese - FA- 1 million a year
3b- Mueller - FA- 2.1 million a year
OF-kapler- FA- 750k a year
OF Damon- FA 7.1 million
Of- Manny- FA 22.5 million
others
Youlkilis -drafted
Dave Roberts-via trade
Carbera-via trade

Sp-Pedro-via trade
Sp-Shilling-via trade
Sp-Lowe-via trade
Arroyo- waiver claim
Wakefield- FA 4 million
Foulke -FA 3.5 million

Outside of manny all the other FA's that they "bought" made less combined than Jeter made in one year. Of course this had very little to do with the statement that I made about Epstein and the Red Sox doing a great job with player development which is pretty much standard knowledge.

No Manny , no rings chuck , it's that simple , they don't sign him , the curse is still in tact

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

No Manny , no rings chuck , it's that simple , they don't sign him , the curse is still in tact

LOL. Yeah the indians rode manny all the way to the title too. And he has carried the Dodgers to what exactly?

Funny how your chest got puffed out again after the 10 year dry spell. What happened? The umpires stopped cheating? Remember when they were all against the yankees?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL. Yeah the indians rode manny all the way to the title too. And he has carried the Dodgers to what exactly?

To be fair, the Indians went to postseason 5 of 7 years with Manny and would have been 6 of 7 but for the strike in 1994. They won 2 AL pennants. Since Manny left they have been to postseason 2 of 10 years. They did have a ton of good players those years and weren't "riding" Manny alone, but he was a massive part of it. For cleveland sports, the Manny years were the absolute best you can get.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

To be fair, the Indians went to postseason 5 of 7 years with Manny and would have been 6 of 7 but for the strike in 1994. They won 2 AL pennants. Since Manny left they have been to postseason 2 of 10 years. They did have a ton of good players those years and weren't "riding" Manny alone, but he was a massive part of it. For cleveland sports, the Manny years were the absolute best you can get.

Yeah but they didnt win so they are cursed and they suck. At least that is what gales will tell you.