7/10 (HOL): Hollywood Gold Cup & Triple Bend H. (G1's)

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

In addition, who said St. Trinians showed her best stuff on Big Cap day? Her other races in the U.S. have been outstanding.

I must be the only one that thought St Trinians ran really well in the Vanity.

I personally dont think Zenyatta has looked as good as last year, thought given a fall apart pace scenario she could still win any race.

[10 pnt move up]

Man Gayago is a nice looking horse, not sure how he runs today but he looks great.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I must be the only one that thought St Trinians ran really well in the Vanity.

I personally dont think Zenyatta has looked as good as last year, thought given a fall apart pace scenario she could still win any race.

St. Trinians effort in the Vanity makes one regret her not having started in the Santa Margarita, not to mention any starts she might have made subsequently had Mike Mitchell not backed off on her following the Big Cap debacle.

[Dahoss]

That was some ride by Bejarano.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

That was some ride by Bejarano.

I thought Richards Kid ran well.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I thought Richards Kid ran well.

I thought they all ran like crap. Zenyatta would have won the race by 5. Instead she's in the barn.

[Scav]

I would love for Drugs to get all crunk on Formulator and look at Ron Ellis 3rd/4th/5th off the layoff. He is a great layoff trainer, but when they get into 'campaigns' they seem to tail off.....

That being said, he probably ran the best today being so wide.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Scav

I would love for Drugs to get all crunk on Formulator and look at Ron Ellis 3rd/4th/5th off the layoff. He is a great layoff trainer, but when they get into 'campaigns' they seem to tail off.....
That being said, he probably ran the best today being so wide.

Considering the fact that he doesn't cheat, he's doing a great job. If it was a level field, his career would have been a lot different.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Scav

I would love for Drugs to get all crunk on Formulator and look at Ron Ellis 3rd/4th/5th off the layoff. He is a great layoff trainer, but when they get into 'campaigns' they seem to tail off.....

That being said, he probably ran the best today being so wide.

Rail Trip ran 8 times between Nov 7 2008 until July 11 2009 with no more than a 45 day break between starts. He brought him back for the Pacific classic obviously fearing a bounce from the big Gold Cup performance last year and then put him away for the year.

These days, thats a pretty busy schedule for a horse especially one that has finished out of the exacta one time in his career and that was in a blanket finish where he lost by a length.

Criticism of Ellis is justified in that he might be a little conservative with some of these horses. At the same time, he is more than just a layoff trainer as you suggest.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

That was some ride by Bejarano.

Not sure what more he can do, the race was a total waste to judge after the fractions.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Not sure what more he can do, the race was a total waste to judge after the fractions.

Isn't that what bettors do? We judge the race. The pace was a crawl. Somehow Rail trip was farther off than he should have been and uncovered and wide the entire way. He rode the horse like he couldn't lose and he did.

He still should have won, but that was not one of Bejarano's better rides IMO.

[Scav]

R3: $81.60
R4: $4.00
R5: $159.20

$63,331 was in the pool, and it only paid $5,500, so 11 tickets.

11 tickets had this thing, that seems high for the way the combo sorted out.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Scav

R3: $81.60
R4: $4.00
R5: $159.20

$63,331 was in the pool, and it only paid $5,500, so 11 tickets.

11 tickets had this thing, that seems high for the way the combo sorted out.

parlay was $12k for a buck, and honestly the favorite in the middle was probably worth less than $4 in the pick-N pools. All-heavy fave-All is probably a common play in that situation.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Isn't that what bettors do? We judge the race. The pace was a crawl. Somehow Rail trip was farther off than he should have been and uncovered and wide the entire way. He rode the horse like he couldn't lose and he did.

He still should have won, but that was not one of Bejarano's better rides IMO.

I think he should have been up near the lead but Bejarano can be kinda cute like that, that was a mistake.

After that though not sure if there was a chance for him to alter the strategy.

I don't think Rail Trip is a true 10f horse, the race did not change my view of that.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I think he should have been up near the lead but Bejarano can be kinda cute like that, that was a mistake.

So he made a mistake. Good, we agree.

[mnmark]

Rail trip actually had an ok trip and took the lead briefly when Awesome Gem had to duck to the rail and accelarate past Rail Trip. I think Awsome Gem would have still won the race had he got Rail Trips trip. He was just better today.