Beyer blasting NY racing on ATR

[jms62]

Originally Posted by HomerS

I have read it. Unless I am missing something it was all about handle.

Most important thing is handle. Second most important is handle. Third most important- is handle

This is a business.

As player and long time Monmouth attendee I love what is happening this year. I want there to be a sustainable working model for years to come.

HomerS -Blinkers On

[Danzig]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/114670.html

more bad news for nyra. they are in a very weak position right now, and it looks like horsemen are using that to their advantage in this case.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

HomerS -Blinkers On

This is a pretty typical comment and further illustrates Steve's point.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

This is a pretty typical comment and further illustrates Steve's point.

Dude... Steve has said racing is a BILLION dollar industry in NJ... Now if racing goes away in NJ what does that mean to the State as far as revenue goes? They lose all the taxes and they lose on the unemployment payouts. You give Monmouth 50 mill and hope they get within the zip code of breaking even. Sounds like a huge win for the State to me. This is much more than Monmouth breaking even or not breaking even.

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[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dude... Steve has said racing is a BILLION dollar industry in NJ... Now if racing goes away in NJ what does that mean to the State as far as revenue goes? They lose all the taxes and they lose on the unemployment payouts. You give Monmouth 50 mill and hope they get within the zip code of breaking even. Sounds like a huge win for the State to me. This is much more than Monmouth breaking even or not breaking even.

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I don't want to see racing go anywhere in Jersey. One of my favorite meets of the year was the Meadowlands fall thoroughbred meet. It sucks it's gone this year. What I was saying is Homer is saying he is a Monmouth guy, but wants to see a sustainable model.

Maybe the state will decide to give Monmouth another 50 million next year and do the same thing. But at this point IMO that seems like a longshot. I'm curious to see what happens when Saratoga opens. I do agree with Homer though that it will all come down to business.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don't want to see racing go anywhere in Jersey. One of my favorite meets of the year was the Meadowlands fall thoroughbred meet. It sucks it's gone this year. What I was saying is Homer is saying he is a Monmouth guy, but wants to see a sustainable model.

Maybe the state will decide to give Monmouth another 50 million next year and do the same thing. But at this point IMO that seems like a longshot. I'm curious to see what happens when Saratoga opens. I do agree with Homer though that it will all come down to business.

The state didn't give Monmouth anything. The casinos gave Monmouth $10 million to let them keep their gaming monopoly in Jersey.

I think it'll happen again next year, when AC cracks and gives up the token hush dough again.

As for Saratoga- I am very concerned. It is my favorite place on the face of the earth and I have serious reservations about them having the horseflesh to put on a 6 day a week meet. There is just no good reason to run in NY right now, even at Saratoga. Will the bettors show up like they always do if there's more 5-6-7 horse fields with a big favorite? Will the Churchill shippers go that direction or to the Shore, or to (gasp) Philadelphia/Delaware?

[Danzig]

based on stall apps, it didn't sound like saratoga was having a hard time drawing horses.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

based on stall apps, it didn't sound like saratoga was having a hard time drawing horses.

I think Saratoga will be fine it is an island. NYRA really needs to run this place Memorial day to Labor day. I know the die-hards are against this but they should/will learn to adjust. Saratoga is the feature back and should get as many carries as possible.... Belmont 6 months/Saratoga 3 months and AQU 3 or 0 months.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

based on stall apps, it didn't sound like saratoga was having a hard time drawing horses.

like they ever will, they ship in all over, it does provide an illusion though that there is a thriving horse population to draw from.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

The state didn't give Monmouth anything. The casinos gave Monmouth $10 million to let them keep their gaming monopoly in Jersey.

I think it'll happen again next year, when AC cracks and gives up the token hush dough again.

As for Saratoga- I am very concerned. It is my favorite place on the face of the earth and I have serious reservations about them having the horseflesh to put on a 6 day a week meet. There is just no good reason to run in NY right now, even at Saratoga. Will the bettors show up like they always do if there's more 5-6-7 horse fields with a big favorite? Will the Churchill shippers go that direction or to the Shore, or to (gasp) Philadelphia/Delaware?

Come on Phil, you know what I am saying. There really is no point of you and I having this discussion again. We've had it and we don't see eye to eye.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Come on Phil, you know what I am saying. There really is no point of you and I having this discussion again. We've had it and we don't see eye to eye.

You said the state gave them $50 million. I corrected you, because they didn't. The casinos gave them monopoly hush money. That is all I had to say.

I am not arguing this thing anymore because clearly people won't change their stance, including you.