7/10 (HOL): Hollywood Gold Cup & Triple Bend H. (G1's)

tiggerv · #1 07-08-2010, 12:30 AM

I expected 20 pages in this thread from the Zenyatta haters/fans but complaints about Quality Road? Really? It's a good idea to ship QR all the way to California to run 10F on synthetic but it's too ambitious to ask the big mare to walk 100 feet down the shed row to run her best surface and distance??

Sheriffs ran Life Is Sweet in this spot last year but apparently challenging his best mare more than once a year is too much. The lack of good horses in this country has really created some chicken **** owners who do whatever they can to avoid losing and then act like they are doing fans a favor.

CSC · #2 07-09-2010, 02:05 PM

Richard's Kid should be enough to put down the ridiculous hype that is Rail Trip.

10 pnt move up · #3 07-09-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Richard's Kid should be enough to put down the ridiculous hype that is Rail Trip.

Maybe at Del Mar where the surface is a complete joke.

CSC · #4 07-09-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Maybe at Del Mar where the surface is a complete joke.

It doesn't help, however you have to think he will be a fair price given the layoff. This is one you have to have faith in the trainer that the horse will fire, I really like Baffert these days, he has figured out how to train for synth.

NTamm1215 · #5 07-09-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

It doesn't help, however you have to think he will be a fair price given the layoff. This is one you have to have faith in the trainer that the horse will fire, I really like Baffert these days, he has figured out how to train for synth.

It's been a while but Baffert lost with both Captain Steve and Silver Charm coming back from Dubai. Both lost at very short prices in their returns.

NT

CSC · #6 07-09-2010, 03:05 PM

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It's been a while but Baffert lost with both Captain Steve and Silver Charm coming back from Dubai. Both lost at very short prices in their returns.

NT

Obviously, it isn't ideal having a horse making their return in a grade 1 off of a 3+ month layoff, I'm not really a believer in the Dubai curse thing anyway, this will be a good test for Rail Trip carrying 123.

slotdirt · #7 07-09-2010, 03:20 PM

I've never been one to think Richard's Kid coming into any race off any sort of layoff is an ideal situation.

johnny pinwheel · #8 07-11-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Richard's Kid should be enough to put down the ridiculous hype that is Rail Trip.

i guess you were not here last year...according to some folks rail trip is a monster. once again he got trounced yesterday. hes a useful horse but hes not that good. i think curlin beat awesome gem by about 12 lengths.....lol...when he was only 4....yeah, rail trip is a world beater...lol...lol

CSC · #9 07-11-2010, 11:13 AM

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i guess you were not here last year...according to some folks rail trip is a monster. once again he got trounced yesterday. hes a useful horse but hes not that good. i think curlin beat awesome gem by about 12 lengths.....lol...when he was only 4....yeah, rail trip is a world beater...lol...lol

He never demonstated he would be able to get 1 1/4 or carry 123-124 in his career, that should have been enough to scare some people off, but people always gravitate towards cute numbers, exactly the way they will gravitate towards Quality Road in the Classic. Atleast he ran faster than Zenyatta did last month LOL...I'll say it again, people who use these final raw time comparisions including supposedly some sharp players here should know better, or they should by now.

Indian Charlie · #10 07-11-2010, 11:32 AM

It's a good thing for Z fans she stayed in the barn yesterday.

Awesome Gem would have smoked her!

dalakhani · #11 07-11-2010, 12:35 PM

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He never demonstated he would be able to get 1 1/4 or carry 123-124 in his career, that should have been enough to scare some people off, but people always gravitate towards cute numbers, exactly the way they will gravitate towards Quality Road in the Classic. Atleast he ran faster than Zenyatta did last month LOL...I'll say it again, people who use these final raw time comparisions including supposedly some sharp players here should know better, or they should by now.

Rail Trip won this same race last year at 10f. He has won at 121 and 122. In his career, he is now 3-1-1-1 at 10f. Are there any real conclusions to be drawn by this one race other than he isn't invincible?

No disrespect, but this thread was up well before the race yesterday and the only person I saw that posted Rail Trip getting beat was CMorioles.

To me, Rail Trip is still one of the best older horses in the country and if they ship out and he gets a shot on dirt, he will be very dangerous.

CSC · #12 07-11-2010, 12:47 PM

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Rail Trip won this same race last year at 10f. He has won at 121 and 122. In his career, he is now 3-1-1-1 at 10f. Are there any real conclusions to be drawn by this one race other than he isn't invincible?

No disrespect, but this thread was up well before the race yesterday and the only person I saw that posted Rail Trip getting beat was CMorioles.

To me, Rail Trip is still one of the best older horses in the country and if they ship out and he gets a shot on dirt, he will be very dangerous.

I never liked him as much as others, I was one of his more vocal detractors here, it's not about tooting one's horn but I did say Richard's Kid should be enough to put down the ridiculous hype that is Rail Trip in this thread. Wrong horse right idea, maybe at Delmar.

dalakhani · #13 07-11-2010, 12:57 PM

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I never liked him as much as others, I was one of his more vocal detractors here, it's not about tooting one's horn but I did say Richard's Kid should be enough to put down the ridiculous hype that is Rail Trip in this thread. Wrong horse right idea, maybe at Delmar.

You did say that. I just think that too much is being made of it. He is a nice horse and I don't see anything out there that is much better.

miraja2 · #14 07-11-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i guess you were not here last year...according to some folks rail trip is a monster. once again he got trounced yesterday. hes a useful horse but hes not that good. i think curlin beat awesome gem by about 12 lengths.....lol...when he was only 4....yeah, rail trip is a world beater...lol...lol

Saying he is a monster and saying he could pose a serious challenge to Zenyatta are two different things.
I didn't think Rail Trip was great. I don't think many did. I bet against him yesterday (although unfortunately not in a fashion that made me any money). It was the fact that Rail Trip is not a great horse that made the decision to not run Zenyatta in the spot all the more curious.