Discreet Cat - Sprint or Nothing

SniperSB23 · #1 10-05-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Well, if they're supposed to be such "sporting" people, you would think they'd want to have a bit of fun. And besides... what are they worried about? If Bernardini is the greatest thing ever (like everyone else around here keeps posting), then why should they worry about Discreet Cat? Personally, I think it only proves that Bernardini ISN'T what everyone keeps cracking him up to be.

It doesn't really matter who they think is better, only one of them can win the race which means one of them has to lose. If they think Discreet Cat is better then running him would hurt Bernardini's stallion value. If they think Bernardini is better then they lose an undefeated horse. They might as well keep them separate and have the big matchup on their home turf in the Dubai World Cup.

Cajungator26 · #2 10-05-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It doesn't really matter who they think is better, only one of them can win the race which means one of them has to lose. If they think Discreet Cat is better then running him would hurt Bernardini's stallion value. If they think Bernardini is better then they lose an undefeated horse. They might as well keep them separate and have the big matchup on their home turf in the Dubai World Cup.

I understand that...

It's just the point that everyone keeps talking about how the Sheik's are such sporting people. Sporting people don't normally play the cards like that, that's all.

The Bid · #3 10-05-2006, 10:58 AM

Henny is old enough where the age shouldnt really be a factor. More of a factor will be the horses hes facing, real battle tested racehorses. Not just ****cans thrown in to get their heads jerked off. I think hes a fantastic horse, but I think Silver Train will win the race, whats the shame in that?

Also, why is Bernardini the big boy? Discrete Cat is just as big of a boy, and just as serious of a horse.

#4 10-05-2006, 11:01 AM

Henny Hughes and Discreet Cat are owned by two different men(son/father). Discreet Cat is not BC-bound. Even if Discreet Cat is better than Bernardini(which I doubt), Bernardini is the third-coming of Seattle Slew/A.P. Indy as far as sire-potential exists. He will follow in some special footsteps.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #5 10-05-2006, 12:58 PM

You guys realize that they are dealin with 3 yo HOY in Bernadini if he wins this race and runs in the top 3 in the classic. Running the Cat aginst him is a bad ideal cause they know the cat will beat him and then the voting will stay with Barbaro

kentuckyrosesinmay · #6 10-05-2006, 01:03 PM

If I owned DC, I would put him into the Cigar Mile. I wouldn't want to throw a three year old who has only raced 4 times, never in GI competition, to the wolves so to speak.

Betsy · #7 10-05-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscreetCat=Monster

You guys realize that they are dealin with 3 yo HOY in Bernadini if he wins this race and runs in the top 3 in the classic. Running the Cat aginst him is a bad ideal cause they know the cat will beat him and then the voting will stay with Barbaro

They have said no such thing -has the Sheikh personally confided in you that he thinks DC is better than Bernardini?

It's amazing the skepticsm that surrounds Bernardini because people don't like the hype, yet DC receives as much hype and no one has a problem with that? Why is it that everyone seems to assume the Sheikh feels that DC is better than Bernardini, as if it would be far-fetched for him to think the opposite.

Cajungator26 · #8 10-05-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

They have said no such thing -has the Sheikh personally confided in you that he thinks DC is better than Bernardini?

It's amazing the skepticsm that surrounds Bernardini because people don't like the hype, yet DC receives as much hype and no one has a problem with that? Why is it that everyone seems to assume the Sheikh feels that DC is better than Bernardini, as if it would be far-fetched for him to think the opposite.

I never said that. I believe that both colts are overhyped.

Gander · #9 10-05-2006, 02:04 PM

Overhyped? And who exactly do you think is justifiably ranked? Andromedas Hero?

If Bernardini and Discreet cat dont do it for you, who does?

Cajungator26 · #10 10-05-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Overhyped? And who exactly do you think is justifiably ranked? Andromedas Hero?

If Bernardini and Discreet cat dont do it for you, who does?

Not a single one, right now. I'm more impressed with Lava Man than I am either one of those two. I'm not arguing that both Bernardini and Discreet Cat aren't talented horses, but do they both REALLY deserve the crowns they're being given right now? Bernardini has what, 6 starts? Discreet Cat, 5? Come on Gander...

Excuse me for not wanting to annoint two lightly raced colts who (with the exception of a very suspect UAE race) have beaten hardly anybody...

DiscreetCat=Monster · #11 10-05-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

They have said no such thing -has the Sheikh personally confided in you that he thinks DC is better than Bernardini?

It's amazing the skepticsm that surrounds Bernardini because people don't like the hype, yet DC receives as much hype and no one has a problem with that? Why is it that everyone seems to assume the Sheikh feels that DC is better than Bernardini, as if it would be far-fetched for him to think the opposite.

It's obvious if Bernardini runs the Cat won't they WILL NOT face each other! DC ran 109 flat as a 2 year old and got a 106 beyer blowin SUPERFLY out of the water. Its not hype this horse is the real deal. All these publication like equibase, thorograph, the sheets are off the chart on this horse. He is a once in a lifetime animal.

Cajungator26 · #12 10-05-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscreetCat=Monster

It's obvious if Bernardini runs the Cat won't they WILL NOT face each other! DC ran 109 flat as a 2 year old and got a 106 beyer blowin SUPERFLY out of the water. Its not hype this horse is the real deal. All these publication like equibase, thorograph, the sheets are off the chart on this horse. He is a once in a lifetime animal.

So is/was Bellamy Road.

(Who I was very impressed with, actually.)

By the way, I use beyers as a tool, but don't look to them exclusively. If I had to pick either Bernardini or Discreet Cat, I would say that DC is the faster horse. Technically, we'll never know because they won't be raced against one another.

Gander · #13 10-05-2006, 02:57 PM

Well Cajun at least we agree on Flower Alley. However I am very impressed with Bernardini. Discreet Cat looks very good but its hard to get excited about horses who race 3 or 4 times a year.

Betsy · #14 10-05-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscreetCat=Monster

It's obvious if Bernardini runs the Cat won't they WILL NOT face each other! DC ran 109 flat as a 2 year old and got a 106 beyer blowin SUPERFLY out of the water. Its not hype this horse is the real deal. All these publication like equibase, thorograph, the sheets are off the chart on this horse. He is a once in a lifetime animal.

And so is Bernardini - have you read the quotes from John Ferguson and the Sheikh's son? Clearly they are in awe of this colt and the Sheikh is pretty happy, too. I'm not saying that they don't feel this way about DC, but I'm just as sure they are as proud of and confident in Bernardini (plus he's a homebred, and that means something to the Sheikh)

mclem10011 · #15 10-05-2006, 05:46 PM

I feel this horse is brilliant, and I could see him winning either the sprint of the mile. Back to Dubai, I wonder how he'd react to that though, would it be a first? I may not have been following the sport long enough to know, if a horse has come here conquered the BC and then gone back to win the DWC, would be quite an accomplishment.

TitanSooner · #16 10-05-2006, 05:52 PM

Pleasantly Perfect

TitanSooner · #17 10-05-2006, 05:53 PM

Cigar did too

mclem10011 · #18 10-05-2006, 06:00 PM

P-perfect totally slipped my mind, he was impressive as hell! Thanks for bringing back memories of a great horse.