A Little Warm Returns... Tuesday, Delaware Park

[blackthroatedwind]

It was a very fast race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It was a very fast race.

I need to really learn this game then, I saw 2 horses plodding home who wanted no part of really going long, the 1 had really no excuse at all.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I need to really learn this game then, I saw 2 horses plodding home who wanted no part of really going long, the 1 had really no excuse at all.

Honestly, this is a given.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Honestly, this is a given.

I know the race went 6 seconds faster then the one before, but that race before is like bottom level junk, no?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know the race went 6 seconds faster then the one before, but that race before is like bottom level junk, no?

Instead of hastening to form opinions, sometimes it helps to actually do the real research, and quantify things as opposed to using useless generalizations.

" Bottom level junk " run speed figures as well. 38 lengths at 1 1/16 equals around 65 Beyer points. Everything is relative.

The third finisher in the 9th lost by 16 3/4 lengths. That's around 28 Beyer points. Did you look at his pps?

This stuff isn't rocket science.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Instead of hastening to form opinions, sometimes it helps to actually do the real research, and quantify things as opposed to using useless generalizations.

" Bottom level junk " run speed figures as well. 38 lengths at 1 1/16 equals around 65 Beyer points. Everything is relative.

The third finisher in the 9th lost by 16 3/4 lengths. That's around 28 Beyer points. Did you look at his pps?

This stuff isn't rocket science.

I see it....
I guess this is why the game is not as simple as beyers... This race will come back large, and I want no part of either of these horses next out, especially if its in races like the Jim Dandy or Haskell.

[blackthroatedwind]

And therein lies part of the problem. You insist on making kneejerk reactions to performances and forming opinions both seconds after races are run and subsequently weeks before others are even drawn, much less run. What exactly is the upside in this? So you can make internet declarations? How much money does that translate to at the windows?

Some of us have to offer opinions a day or two before races are run. For no reason whatsoever you insist on doing it weeks in advance. Preconceived notions will get you nowhere.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It was a very fast race.

So if you were Nick, would you be disappointed? It looks like he set fast fractions and had every right to get tired. He may not want to run long as he appears to be something of a speed demon. I haven't seen the race, just read the recap in the Form.

[the_fat_man]

I'm going to go on a limb here as well and state that I don't want either of these plugs back in a major race, on a NON SPEED FAVORING SURFACE, either.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm going to go on a limb here as well and state that I don't want either of these plugs back in a major race, on a NON SPEED FAVORING SURFACE, either.

Im not sure how much of a limb that is? Andy is right about me making a quick snap opinions, but I also trust my opinion. Would I give either of these 2 a shot against the likes of Trappe Shot, Lookin at Lucky, or even Afleet Express, NO WAY.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not sure how much of a limb that is?

I'm actually sweating it. You know how much FAST horses influence my handicapping.


ha ha ha

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not sure how much of a limb that is? Andy is right about me making a quick snap opinions, but I also trust my opinion. Would I give either of these 2 a shot against the likes of Trappe Shot, Lookin at Lucky, or even Afleet Express, NO WAY.

Let's not forget what Trappe Shot really is. I was impressed with his win on Belmont day but he's a fragile horse who was supposed to run in two graded stakes but didn't and instead beat a questionable allowance field (albeit in a nice final time) with a perfect trip.

He's good but to mention him as a top 3YO before we've even seen him go two turns is premature.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Let's not forget what Trappe Shot really is. I was impressed with his win on Belmont day but he's a fragile horse who was supposed to run in two graded stakes but didn't and instead beat a questionable allowance field (albeit in a nice final time) with a perfect trip.

He's good but to mention him as a top 3YO before we've even seen him go two turns is premature.

NT

I like brillant, raw talent type horses... I think thats what Trappe Shot is, I dont think ALW is that, I agree that he needs a cutback, he would be tough in the Kings Bishop, maybe??

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Let's not forget what Trappe Shot really is. I was impressed with his win on Belmont day but he's a fragile horse who was supposed to run in two graded stakes but didn't and instead beat a questionable allowance field (albeit in a nice final time) with a perfect trip.

He's good but to mention him as a top 3YO before we've even seen him go two turns is premature.

What was so questionable about the allowance field he beat? As far as allowance fields go these days ... I thought that was an extremely tough entry level alw race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What was so questionable about the allowance field he beat? As far as allowance fields go these days ... I thought that was an extremely tough entry level alw race.

I think it was more of a shot at me... This is from a guy who has talked Trappe Shot up to me for months now as one to watch, potential top 3 yr old... Now all the sudden A Little Warm is better?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What was so questionable about the allowance field he beat? As far as allowance fields go these days ... I thought that was an extremely tough entry level alw race.

You think Tahitian Warrior was ready to go off the layoff? Considering Godolphin's numbers, specifically at Belmont over the last two years, I doubt it. As far as the rest of the field, the Levine horse who got left, Ricoriatoa, and Monte Carlo are hardly good.

I also never said A Little Warm was better than Trappe Shot. I made a comment about him being considered an elite 3YO. Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see a 3YO go two turns before I consider him a Travers horse.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm going to go on a limb here as well and state that I don't want either of these plugs back in a major race, on a NON SPEED FAVORING SURFACE, either.

I don't pay much attention to Delaware, that's being kind, but looking at the charts it didn't look like a big speed track. I realize that can be misleading but are you sure?

I take all Delaware races with a grain of salt, and I don't think anyone here is declaring the first two world beaters, despite how high the number will come back, but in this 3YO crop they aren't bad.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't pay much attention to Delaware, that's being kind, but looking at the charts it didn't look like a big speed track. I realize that can be misleading but are you sure?

I take all Delaware races with a grain of salt, and I don't think anyone here is declaring the first two world beaters, despite how high the number will come back, but in this 3YO crop they aren't bad.

It goes both ways with me, because as much as I dislike these 2 moving forward I would guess they can be very competitive with the Derby and Belmont winners.....

[RockHardTen1985]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/114303.html

[blackthroatedwind]

The early number is 106 for the winner.