Nick Canani at Arlington

Cannon Shell · #1 06-29-2010, 01:28 PM

1. Anyone who thinks that there are a bunch of horseman at AP not running for imaginary reasons is getting poor information.
2. Outside of a few stables, who here has any good horses? The NW1 allowance race doesnt fill because there are a stunningly low number of quality horses and most of them are either trained by the same guy or are in the stable of a trainer who has multiple divisions most of which will be running for better purses. Dont forget Mott isnt here anymore, Pletecher isnt here anymore, Ronny Werner isnt here anymore, Asmussen isnt here anymore, Stidham splits between here and Delaware, Nafzger/Wilkes have a few crows here, Becky Maker is out of business. Outside of Peitz what new outfit showed up at AP this year?
3. One trainer in the top 5 in the standing told me that everythime he loses a horse via claim he just brings in another 2 yo because his owners arent really interested in claiming something back because the purses are too low.
4. At least 3 or 4 trainers have told me they lost horses to Monmouth, the owners sent them east because of the purses/polytrack. How many horses in the past do you think were headed to Ap and were diverted to Monmouth? I'd guess not many.
5. It is all pure speculation as to what anyone does or doesnt do. It would be naive to think that because someone isnt getting positive tests then they arent cheating. The greatest gain is when you can do something simple that everyone else can't. Was CC treated differently or given something other than what is allowable? Who knows? But it isnt as though he just tore through the condition. The Beyer number is not a factual account of what happened. If he runs a 90 in his next start with Reavis is he cheating? If he runs a 43 were Canani and I cheating? He got pretty much ideal circumstances and won a race by a head.
6. I would love to know who makes $15 a day in day money.

The Bid · #2 06-29-2010, 02:06 PM

Cannon

I don't want to mention names.

I'm sure you know of them and it's pretty evident when you sit on a nickle life condition claimer for a month and a half it's either crippled, or the owner has not paid, or the owner is on point and pays always. In the case I'm speaking the guy is automatic w/ the day bill. He has 5-6 rotten crows w/ one trainer. Each horse makes a start every 50 days.

I don't think 80 percent of the horseman do this. Bob said what would be the motivation for sitting on a sound horse, I think the money would be motivation.

As for the races not filling, chd and Arlington both seem to be struggling to fill the good races. You'd think 2 tracks owned by the same company would practice repricocoty. Maybe both secretaries could put their heads together and come up w some good cards, but why would they do that?

As for clue. He didn't move forward. He ran the same race he ran for you just happened to be his day, caught the right bunch.

Cannon... Say you had an owner w 2-3 horses. The guy told you I don't care how much my vet bill is just have these horses ready so I can gamble, could you crank them up 10-15 more objective speed figure points. I'm sure you could. That being said do you think a guy like canani is benefitting more from that open checkbook to vet to the fullest, the liberty to run them down your throat, or ability to take a financial loss as long as he wins. That's a pretty great spot to be in for a trainer I would imagine. Money no option, run to win, bad claim one take the loss and jam.

Cannon Shell · #3 06-29-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon

I don't want to mention names.

I'm sure you know of them and it's pretty evident when you sit on a nickle life condition claimer for a month and a half it's either crippled, or the owner has not paid, or the owner is on point and pays always. In the case I'm speaking the guy is automatic w/ the day bill. He has 5-6 rotten crows w/ one trainer. Each horse makes a start every 50 days.

I don't think 80 percent of the horseman do this. Bob said what would be the motivation for sitting on a sound horse, I think the money would be motivation.

As for the races not filling, chd and Arlington both seem to be struggling to fill the good races. You'd think 2 tracks owned by the same company would practice repricocoty. Maybe both secretaries could put their heads together and come up w some good cards, but why would they do that?

As for clue. He didn't move forward. He ran the same race he ran for you just happened to be his day, caught the right bunch.

Cannon... Say you had an owner w 2-3 horses. The guy told you I don't care how much my vet bill is just have these horses ready so I can gamble, could you crank them up 10-15 more objective speed figure points. I'm sure you could. That being said do you think a guy like canani is benefiting more from that open checkbook to vet to the fullest, the liberty to run them down your throat, or ability to take a financial loss as long as he wins. That's a pretty great spot to be in for a trainer I would imagine. Money no option, run to win, bad claim one take the loss and jam.

Canani is the perfect example of why judging trainers based on small samples of numbers is hard to do. A guy goes from having horrible stock and just not being into it and getting a dream position (well if you excluded the insanity that seems to rule that bunch, so we will say dream job on paper), getting tons of horses, the ability to run them at a loss if need be (of course it is assumed that they have some inside info on this as well), and carte blanche with the vet. So he was stupid 2 years ago and now he is a genius? Of course not. When you add up everything you stated and top it off with the weak sister claiming competition here at AP they are supposed to win a ton of races. I mean seriously who at AP has the funds to challenge FCC at the claiming box? Of the guys with owners with the cash to do it, none are claiming trainers. I said to Scavs a few weeks prior to the meet that Catalano and Calabrese are going to do even better this year then ever because there just isnt much competition here as the meet drew closer and the stalls on the backside remained empty. The ironic part about CC is the luckiest thing that happened to FCC was CC got claimed! Since he had him a little over a month and surely did vet work on him with the owners share of the purse coming in at $6400 for the race he barely made any money.