Nick Canani at Arlington

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Bid

At which meet csc. They haven't ran as many at chd since that fiasco w the pletcher claim.

She's light years ahead in the claiming game though. She gets it. She makes the right moves more often than not. It's not like she has unlimited funds either. She's just well read, bright, and understands how to turn a profit

Oh thanks, I thought she was running horses at Arlington. As you say her and Amoss were miles ahead of most in the claiming game. She usually netted flat profit results and is one owner that can be compared to Calabrese for her prolific numbers.

[The Bid]

To me what she does is much more impressive. She claims her horses w purpose. She already has an idea of the next spot, maybe next couple. Calabreses team is not equal to maggi, however can afford to jam them down your throat. Rarely, if ever, do you see her drop one till she's out and it's pure profit. Lotta people getting into this game should follow her model. There's a lot of money to be made if you play correctly

[Cannon Shell]

1. Anyone who thinks that there are a bunch of horseman at AP not running for imaginary reasons is getting poor information.
2. Outside of a few stables, who here has any good horses? The NW1 allowance race doesnt fill because there are a stunningly low number of quality horses and most of them are either trained by the same guy or are in the stable of a trainer who has multiple divisions most of which will be running for better purses. Dont forget Mott isnt here anymore, Pletecher isnt here anymore, Ronny Werner isnt here anymore, Asmussen isnt here anymore, Stidham splits between here and Delaware, Nafzger/Wilkes have a few crows here, Becky Maker is out of business. Outside of Peitz what new outfit showed up at AP this year?
3. One trainer in the top 5 in the standing told me that everythime he loses a horse via claim he just brings in another 2 yo because his owners arent really interested in claiming something back because the purses are too low.
4. At least 3 or 4 trainers have told me they lost horses to Monmouth, the owners sent them east because of the purses/polytrack. How many horses in the past do you think were headed to Ap and were diverted to Monmouth? I'd guess not many.
5. It is all pure speculation as to what anyone does or doesnt do. It would be naive to think that because someone isnt getting positive tests then they arent cheating. The greatest gain is when you can do something simple that everyone else can't. Was CC treated differently or given something other than what is allowable? Who knows? But it isnt as though he just tore through the condition. The Beyer number is not a factual account of what happened. If he runs a 90 in his next start with Reavis is he cheating? If he runs a 43 were Canani and I cheating? He got pretty much ideal circumstances and won a race by a head.
6. I would love to know who makes $15 a day in day money.

[The Bid]

Cannon

I don't want to mention names.

I'm sure you know of them and it's pretty evident when you sit on a nickle life condition claimer for a month and a half it's either crippled, or the owner has not paid, or the owner is on point and pays always. In the case I'm speaking the guy is automatic w/ the day bill. He has 5-6 rotten crows w/ one trainer. Each horse makes a start every 50 days.

I don't think 80 percent of the horseman do this. Bob said what would be the motivation for sitting on a sound horse, I think the money would be motivation.

As for the races not filling, chd and Arlington both seem to be struggling to fill the good races. You'd think 2 tracks owned by the same company would practice repricocoty. Maybe both secretaries could put their heads together and come up w some good cards, but why would they do that?

As for clue. He didn't move forward. He ran the same race he ran for you just happened to be his day, caught the right bunch.

Cannon... Say you had an owner w 2-3 horses. The guy told you I don't care how much my vet bill is just have these horses ready so I can gamble, could you crank them up 10-15 more objective speed figure points. I'm sure you could. That being said do you think a guy like canani is benefitting more from that open checkbook to vet to the fullest, the liberty to run them down your throat, or ability to take a financial loss as long as he wins. That's a pretty great spot to be in for a trainer I would imagine. Money no option, run to win, bad claim one take the loss and jam.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon

I don't want to mention names.

I'm sure you know of them and it's pretty evident when you sit on a nickle life condition claimer for a month and a half it's either crippled, or the owner has not paid, or the owner is on point and pays always. In the case I'm speaking the guy is automatic w/ the day bill. He has 5-6 rotten crows w/ one trainer. Each horse makes a start every 50 days.

I don't think 80 percent of the horseman do this. Bob said what would be the motivation for sitting on a sound horse, I think the money would be motivation.

As for the races not filling, chd and Arlington both seem to be struggling to fill the good races. You'd think 2 tracks owned by the same company would practice repricocoty. Maybe both secretaries could put their heads together and come up w some good cards, but why would they do that?

As for clue. He didn't move forward. He ran the same race he ran for you just happened to be his day, caught the right bunch.

Cannon... Say you had an owner w 2-3 horses. The guy told you I don't care how much my vet bill is just have these horses ready so I can gamble, could you crank them up 10-15 more objective speed figure points. I'm sure you could. That being said do you think a guy like canani is benefiting more from that open checkbook to vet to the fullest, the liberty to run them down your throat, or ability to take a financial loss as long as he wins. That's a pretty great spot to be in for a trainer I would imagine. Money no option, run to win, bad claim one take the loss and jam.

Canani is the perfect example of why judging trainers based on small samples of numbers is hard to do. A guy goes from having horrible stock and just not being into it and getting a dream position (well if you excluded the insanity that seems to rule that bunch, so we will say dream job on paper), getting tons of horses, the ability to run them at a loss if need be (of course it is assumed that they have some inside info on this as well), and carte blanche with the vet. So he was stupid 2 years ago and now he is a genius? Of course not. When you add up everything you stated and top it off with the weak sister claiming competition here at AP they are supposed to win a ton of races. I mean seriously who at AP has the funds to challenge FCC at the claiming box? Of the guys with owners with the cash to do it, none are claiming trainers. I said to Scavs a few weeks prior to the meet that Catalano and Calabrese are going to do even better this year then ever because there just isnt much competition here as the meet drew closer and the stalls on the backside remained empty. The ironic part about CC is the luckiest thing that happened to FCC was CC got claimed! Since he had him a little over a month and surely did vet work on him with the owners share of the purse coming in at $6400 for the race he barely made any money.

[Scav]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/114485.html

[The Indomitable DrugS]

My favorite part:

* Chicago stewards also fined trainer Florida-based trainer Marty Wolfson $3,000 for a pair of prednisone positives detected in Jessica is Back and Miss Singhsix, the second- and third-place finishers in the Sixty Sails on April 17 at Hawthorne.

Ness has had at least one horse get DQ'd from purse money for a bad test here.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

My favorite part:




Ness has had at least one horse get DQ'd from purse money for a bad test here.

Lets add more drama to the story. This horse that got DQ'ed was actually in COOL CLUE's 2nd place start, his first start here. They went two months with out it, and now Reavis claimed a horse that is out of claiming conditions and we actually have a win at Arlington Park now (without the picture). Purse distributation and everything already went through.

Thank you Canani and Mr Calabrese for cheating, we appreciate it.

Great guys filling the box only to add more work to the horseman's bookkeeper.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

At least Ness had the presence of mind to finish 2nd to himself with his winning horse that got DQ'd out of an allowance win here earlier in the meet.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Scav

http://www.drf.com/news/article/114485.html

Does Wolfson cheat in EVERY race? It's so laughable.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by philcski

Does Wolfson cheat in EVERY race? It's so laughable.

Answer is yes.

He doesn't like travelling because he gets busted everywhere else but Calder. Either the 2nd or 3rd time he has been busted in Illinois

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Scav

Lets add more drama to the story. This horse that got DQ'ed was actually in COOL CLUE's 2nd place start, his first start here. They went two months with out it, and now Reavis claimed a horse that is out of claiming conditions and we actually have a win at Arlington Park now (without the picture). Purse distributation and everything already went through.

Thank you Canani and Mr Calabrese for cheating, we appreciate it.

Great guys filling the box only to add more work to the horseman's bookkeeper.

Take every cent you can get over there... especially from them!

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Scav

Answer is yes.

He doesn't like travelling because he gets busted everywhere else but Calder. Either the 2nd or 3rd time he has been busted in Illinois

Totally agree.

[Danzig]

is there a connection between arlington and super testing and lack of horses?
or is it just the money (which is a big 'just')?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Scav

Answer is yes.

He doesn't like travelling because he gets busted everywhere else but Calder. Either the 2nd or 3rd time he has been busted in Illinois

it's a bird at oaklawn...i think an appeal is coming up on that, but i don't see it getting overturned. especially considering the ruling they just made on another trainers appeal.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Danzig

is there a connection between arlington and super testing and lack of horses?
or is it just the money (which is a big 'just')?

There is just a lack of middle class horses(25 claimers to Allowance horses). There is a shitload of babies back there, 5-10k claimers, and then their stake horses that they ship other places.

We entered Colonel Klink in a 25nw2 race 6 times and it didn't get more then 5 horses, which is why we were forced into a IL nw1 that we are probably gonna scratch out of.

Look at Normanruth today, he has been ready for 20 days and we had to 'settle' for this spot. He is probably gonna run good but it is unreal they can't fill a nw1 route race on poly.

We'll see what happen next week with Churchill closing, although Ellis made is awful hard to leave KY given same purses as here and weaker competition.

[Danzig]

that doesn't sound good at all...

good luck with normanruth today!

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Scav

We'll see what happen next week with Churchill closing, although Ellis made is awful hard to leave KY given same purses as here and weaker competition.

I think you're right on target there. I look for more allowance races to hopefully fill over the next couple months (I hope, as I normally cap those a bit better than 5k claimers). Either that, or you may have to ship to Ellis.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

I think you're right on target there. I look for more allowance races to hopefully fill over the next couple months (I hope, as I normally cap those a bit better than 5k claimers). Either that, or you may have to ship to Ellis.

People are not going to ship from AP to Ellis....unless they are a bad claimer

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Scav

Lets add more drama to the story. This horse that got DQ'ed was actually in COOL CLUE's 2nd place start, his first start here. They went two months with out it, and now Reavis claimed a horse that is out of claiming conditions and we actually have a win at Arlington Park now (without the picture). Purse distributation and everything already went through.

Thank you Canani and Mr Calabrese for cheating, we appreciate it.

Great guys filling the box only to add more work to the horseman's bookkeeper.

Too bad I can't still get paid on my Cool Clue win wager from that day.