Weekend Beyers

[hockey2315]

not at all

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

does it seem like a low number for devil

It's a respectable figure for a Gr 1 stakes winning 3yo filly. Blind Luck and Evening Jewel ran 94's in the KY Oaks.

I also think the Mother Goose was a race DMC can improve on going forward.

[Kasept]

WO-King Edward S (G2): Grand Adventure 104 (M. Frostad/P. Husbands)
WO-Victoria Park S: Exhi 100 (T. Pletcher/R. Albarado)

MTH-Blue Sparkler S: Way With Words 89 (M. Eppler/E. Castro)
MTH Crank It Up S: Greeley's Rocket 87 (W. Calhoun/J. Rose)

HOL-Kerlan Memorial H: My Summer Slew 97 (C. Dollase/A. Quinonez)

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Race shapes, going forwards and backwards, are a central part of my handicapping. Plus, it's fun to decipher and try to predict.

I'll try to watch the WO race, though they aren't on racereplays.com.

http://www.youtube.com/user/WEGReplays
Woodbine replay channel

[blackthroatedwind]

Thanks.

Good channel too. Thanks for alerting me to it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

On a related noted, and to see how COMPETENT stewards operate, check out the replay of WO 6/23/10 R4. I had an exacta box 1-7 and it appeared to be good UNTIL the 4 came out and caused the 2 to cut off the 7. In NY they take the 4 down.

But they did, and rightfully so, take the 4 down. You don't think they would have in NY? I think they would have....and you know I'm not being a " homer " here.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I also think the Mother Goose was a race DMC can improve on going forward.

Does this mean that the Lawyer Ron elixir is back?

Seriously, she won impressively but how in the world does she get a better trip?

Perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss. Perfect trip Saturday. Does she have an 'against the grain' effort in her?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Shadowbdancing won a 300K Grade 2 for older males with a 94.

Yeah - that was some field.

I have a hard time believing that is the best those horses could do. The times seem consistent with the Derby and the Oaks, but this one just seems off. I may have to do some hand timing, especially considering this isn't a distance that has been run since the same race the year prior.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Does this mean that the Lawyer Ron elixir is back?

Seriously, she won impressively but how in the world does she get a better trip?

Perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss. Perfect trip Saturday. Does she have an 'against the grain' effort in her?

Yes, the Frizette. She made a premature move in a collapsing pace and still won.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Does this mean that the Lawyer Ron elixir is back?

Seriously, she won impressively but how in the world does she get a better trip?

Perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss. Perfect trip Saturday. Does she have an 'against the grain' effort in her?

Wont a horse with her style pull a perfect trip more times then not? Especially with a guy like JV who does not know where the rail is, the clear, close range stalking trip is what she is likely to pull.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, the Frizette. She made a premature move in a collapsing pace and still won.

She was inside the 2nd horse and got the jump on her as that one got stuck behind horses and took a while to change leads in the lane. I don't think that move was premature and she certainly got a better trip than the runner up. The same way she got a better trip than Biofuel.

When she tried to make a genuine against the grain run in the Silverbulletday, she got gutted.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

She was inside the 2nd horse and got the jump on her as that one got stuck behind horses and took a while to change leads in the lane. I don't think that move was premature and she certainly got a better trip than the runner up. The same way she got a better trip than Biofuel.

When she tried to make a genuine against the grain run in the Silverbulletday, she got gutted.

I don't agree.

The Silverbulletday is clearly a throwout.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Wont a horse with her style pull a perfect trip more times then not? Especially with a guy like JV who does not know where the rail is, the clear, close range stalking trip is what she is likely to pull.

That's very true. But there's a difference between having the speed/ability to sit behind the pacesetter and then be able to hold off the closers and what happened in the Mother Goose or the Bonnie Miss.

Consider for a moment what happens if Biofuel doesn't break bad and then isn't asked on the turn.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't agree.

The Silverbulletday is clearly a throwout.

She totally freaked at the gate, gave them a hard time loading and from watching the replay she never at any point settled.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

That's very true. But there's a difference between having the speed/ability to sit behind the pacesetter and then be able to hold off the closers and what happened in the Mother Goose or the Bonnie Miss.

Consider for a moment what happens if Biofuel doesn't break bad and then isn't asked on the turn.

Im trying to understand but not seeing it. I think DMC is much better then Biofuel, and actually wants to go longer so I dont see Biofuel making up the ground on her at Saratoga "CCOA, Alabama"

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

She totally freaked at the gate, gave them a hard time loading and from watching the replay she never at any point settled.

In other words, she tried to make an early run against a loose horse and threw up her lunch.

But she certainly had no trouble sitting behind 3 horses that were going at it in the Bonnie Miss and strutting her stuff late.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

In other words, she tried to make an early run against a loose horse and threw up her lunch.

But she certainly had no trouble sitting behind 3 horses that were going at it in the Bonnie Miss and strutting her stuff late.

You completely discount the gate incident? That doesn't make much sense, and also the fact the race was first of a couple month layoff and clearly not a goal of the connections make it a toss.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You completely discount the gate incident? That doesn't make much sense, and also the fact the race was first of a couple month layoff and clearly not a goal of the connections make it a toss.

All I'm saying is that the horse can win with good trips and has yet to win with a bad trip. If she's so good, where's her 'adversity' race. Where's her Rachel Alexandra Preakness or Woodward race? Hell, where's her race where she got a worse trip than the runner up?

I didn't see the SBD, so I have no idea what happened at the gate. I do know, however, that the start (and what happened subsequently) pretty much eliminated Biofuel in the MG.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

All I'm saying is that the horse can win with good trips and has yet to win with a bad trip. If she's so good, where's her 'adversity' race. Where's her Rachel Alexandra Preakness or Woodward race? Hell, where's her race where she got a worse trip than the runner up?

I didn't see the SBD, so I have no idea what happened at the gate. I do know, however, that the start (and what happened subsequently) pretty much eliminated Biofuel in the MG.

I don't think she is all that great, but what 3yo really is?

The trouble before the race was pretty substantial.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, the Frizette. She made a premature move in a collapsing pace and still won.

Wow! I just got sort of like a by proxy reply from BindTortureWound.

I feel so acknowledged.