PVal close to California return?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I heard this P.Val rumor on the Roger Stein show on Saturday.

And in other Stein show recap news ... if Del Mar doesn't rename the Pacific Classic the 'Frankel Classic' ... it's because they're anti-semetic.

Again, where are the jews in high places at Del Mar? ... Roger asks.

Stunned that Stein still has a show. He was awful 10 years ago.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Stunned that Stein still has a show. He was awful 10 years ago.

.....i think its good, its more or less geared to the troubles of the racing industry here in california.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

.....i think its good, its more or less geared to the troubles of the racing industry here in california.

Sorry I have to disagree. I listened to it when it was the only one around. Not good. Similar to his training.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Stunned that Stein still has a show. He was awful 10 years ago.

Stunned he's still alive. Period.

[-BT-]

everyone deserves an 18th chance

-bt-

[CSC]

P Val was not only a very good speed rider, at worst he was a very good turf rider also. I think he will do just fine with the present jockey colony out there at the moment. If he can ride on synth the way he rides on turf, he should clean up if gets half decent mounts.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

P Val was not only a very good speed rider, at worst he was a very good turf rider also. I think he will do just fine with the present jockey colony out there at the moment. If he can ride on synth the way he rides on turf, he should clean up if gets half decent mounts.

You haven't watched him much at La Downs. He's still good but he's nowhere near who he was in his heyday (it'd be tough to expect him to at his age).

He'll get absolutely owned by Rosario, Bejarano, and probably even T. Baze. Not to mention how tough it's going to be for the guy to get legitimate mounts right off the bat.

NT

He's dropped off for sure. To be successful in Cali in 2010 he needs an agent who can kiss ass with the best of them.

[asudevil]

[quote=Coach Pants;662832]He's dropped off for sure. To be successful in Cali in 2010 he needs an agent who can kiss ass with the best of them.[/QUOTE]

So true...It's the black-ball capital of the world.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think he will do just fine with the present jockey colony out there at the moment. If he can ride on synth the way he rides on turf, he should clean up if gets half decent mounts.

No he won't.

He's washed up now. He pretty much sucks.

Since 2007 he's ridden in 1,251 races - won 14% - and his ROI is a horrid $1.25 ... meaning he's losing 37.5% on every dollar bet - which is more than double the track takeout ... and at over 1k races, thats a big sample size.

His numbers in turf races have even been a little worse.

Keep in mind, he's doing that riding at tracks in Louisianna and New Mexico.

He shouldn't be allowed to ride in the state of California ... unless he promises he will go on his drug binges again ... because maybe the drug binges help him a lot as a rider .. they can't make him a whole lot worse.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Jason Lumpkins is currently winning at 18% at Mountaineer - despite being somewhat blackballed by certain trainers - and he's currently showing a 42% profit on every dollar bet in route races there over the last 2 seasons.

I think he might have a better chance at Del Mar than the current version of P. Val ... though P. Val would be better at fooling some horsemen into thinking he still has it - and surely get much better chances.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No he won't.

He's washed up now. He pretty much sucks.

Since 2007 he's ridden in 1,251 races - won 14% - and his ROI is a horrid $1.25 ... meaning he's losing 37.5% on every dollar bet - which is more than double the track takeout ... and at over 1k races, thats a big sample size.

His numbers in turf races have even been a little worse.

Keep in mind, he's doing that riding at tracks in Louisianna and New Mexico.

He shouldn't be allowed to ride in the state of California ... unless he promises he will go on his drug binges again ... because maybe the drug binges help him a lot as a rider .. they can't make him a whole lot worse.

I've only seen him ride sporadically at LA Downs, and yes he isn't the P Val of the pre synth days in So Cal. I think my feelings are more based on the rides I see nowadays out west, they are so far removed from the days of watching Solis, Eddie D, Corey Nak, Mccarron, Antley, Stevens, Kent D, and even Flores ride race in race out. Even a Corey Black used to put in the odd winning ride.

Yeah those numbers stink, he will surely be bet down on name, however there are few jockies on that colony I trust at the moment, and if he can regain even 80% of what he used to be, I think that will still be better than 90% of the Jockies riding out there. I think it would be a mistake to think he is purely a speed rider, he was a very good turf rider in his time and supposing he rides synth like he rides on turf, he should be okay.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Stunned that Stein still has a show. He was awful 10 years ago.

Somehow Stein does get decent guests. He is a horrible interview often answering his own questions. Makes you appreciate Byk all the more. Most weekends the stream fills so that ITUNES stops taking listeners once the show starts either they have poor bandwidth or Hardoon's picks are popular...