Weekend Beyers

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Today we have Serling exposing Castellano, and the NYRA stewards for continually allowing him to HERD. Castellano wasn't allowed to do this at WO, Serling points out. (They slapped him like the bitch he is.)

And now, we have a diehard devotee starting to rethink his paradigm.

What's next?

You posting sanely?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You posting sanely?

I'm complementing you and you get paranoid again. You really need to get some help about that.

P.S. I also caught your comment on trips and traps about Shrewd One where you comment that it doesn't matter how fast they were going. So, SETUP does trump numeric pace, then, huh? But if that's the case, what happens to "no trips in slow races"?

[randallscott35]

Andy makes a point that needs to be made about jockeys getting hometown calls which screws up things in DQs consistently. On Belmont day Bravo should've come down in that turf sprint but Monmouth looked the other way. It's gross and it needs to stop...I realize they recently took him down in another race I believe. He needs days as he is careless. He doesn't deserve a Jersey discount.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Andy makes a point that needs to be made about jockeys getting hometown calls which screws up things in DQs consistently. On Belmont day Bravo should've come down in that turf sprint but Monmouth looked the other way. It's gross and it needs to stop...I realize they recently took him down in another race I believe. He needs days as he is careless. He doesn't deserve a Jersey discount.

They aren't hometown calls....at least in NY. They are different interpretations of rules.

I will never get why people always insinuate that stewards have some ulterior motives. You may disagree with them, they may be " wrong, " but that doesn't imply some sort of imbalance. They simply see things differently...right or wrong.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm complementing you and you get paranoid again. You really need to get some help about that.

P.S. I also caught your comment on trips and traps about Shrewd One where you comment that it doesn't matter how fast they were going. So, SETUP does trump numeric pace, then, huh? But if that's the case, what happens to "no trips in slow races"?

I was joking.

However, after this post perhaps I should reconsider.

I'll have to review that T&T to find out what I was REALLY saying.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm complementing you and you get paranoid again. You really need to get some help about that.

P.S. I also caught your comment on trips and traps about Shrewd One where you comment that it doesn't matter how fast they were going. So, SETUP does trump numeric pace, then, huh? But if that's the case, what happens to "no trips in slow races"?

OK, now I know what you were referring to.

What I was saying was that, basically, while the pace appears relatively slow ( I would guess it was actually on the fair to fast side ), I'm not overly concerned with that, as from a dynamics standpoint, it collapsed. Part of that may have been very much related to the contestants as well.

However, this was FAR from a " slow " race....so, sorry, I hate to end today's hot streak for you, but this was not a " no trips in slow races " situation. In fact, not even close.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

However, this was FAR from a " slow " race....so, sorry, I hate to end today's hot streak for you, but this was not a " no trips in slow races " situation. In fact, not even close.

You're a good enough handicapper/race watcher to understand that pace is one factor that can influence the way a race is run. Other ways are: a horse whose run would alter the dynamics of the race getting a trouble trip; a horse or horses making premature moves; whether or not the winner is 'escorted' to the wire; and, probably most importantly, the 'type' of race it is.

You obviously know all this because, quite often, in between giving us the full trouble line data, you also make some noteworthy comments about the dynamics of a given race and how that affects the evalution of a given horse.

In fact, you appear to be doing this quite often and I suspect that sooner (and not later) RACE TYPES will play a central role in your handicapping.

On a related noted, and to see how COMPETENT stewards operate, check out the replay of WO 6/23/10 R4. I had an exacta box 1-7 and it appeared to be good UNTIL the 4 came out and caused the 2 to cut off the 7. In NY they take the 4 down.

[blackthroatedwind]

Race shapes, going forwards and backwards, are a central part of my handicapping. Plus, it's fun to decipher and try to predict.

I'll try to watch the WO race, though they aren't on racereplays.com.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Race shapes, going forwards and backwards, are a central part of my handicapping. Plus, it's fun to decipher and try to predict.

I'll try to watch the WO race, though they aren't on racereplays.com.

http://www.youtube.com/user/WEGReplays
Woodbine replay channel

[blackthroatedwind]

Thanks.

Good channel too. Thanks for alerting me to it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

On a related noted, and to see how COMPETENT stewards operate, check out the replay of WO 6/23/10 R4. I had an exacta box 1-7 and it appeared to be good UNTIL the 4 came out and caused the 2 to cut off the 7. In NY they take the 4 down.

But they did, and rightfully so, take the 4 down. You don't think they would have in NY? I think they would have....and you know I'm not being a " homer " here.