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Old 06-25-2010, 03:57 PM
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I don't understand why you guys dont understand that giving away $50 million over 50 days doesn't mean that they will actually give away a million a day?

On Saturday for example they have 2 stakes worth $1000000 alone. Obviously they have 10 other races to fill that day. If you take the 50 for 50 literally then how do you propose that they stay within the $50 million dollar parameter? Most tracks that give away high average purse amounts have that average bouyed by a large stakes schedule. In virtually all horseman/racetrack contracts there exists a certain % that the overnight purses and stakes purses has to meet.

As for the idea that there is "false advertising" LOL! Seriously? Show me where it says that there will be exactly $1 million dollars given away everyday. Does anyone really think that Saratoga gives away $729,000 on its glorious Monday cards?
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Old 06-25-2010, 04:05 PM
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Old 06-25-2010, 04:13 PM
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This thread hurts.
I will try to make it even more painful.

How come baseball players who bat .250 don't go 1-for-4 every single game?

Shouldn't a .334 hitter be on like an infinity game hitting streaks as long as he gets 3 at bats per game?
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Old 06-26-2010, 05:14 PM
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I will try to make it even more painful.

How come baseball players who bat .250 don't go 1-for-4 every single game?

Shouldn't a .334 hitter be on like an infinity game hitting streaks as long as he gets 3 at bats per game?

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I will try to make it even more painful.

How come baseball players who bat .250 don't go 1-for-4 every single game?

Shouldn't a .334 hitter be on like an infinity game hitting streaks as long as he gets 3 at bats per game?
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Old 06-25-2010, 04:11 PM
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I don't understand why you guys dont understand that giving away $50 million over 50 days doesn't mean that they will actually give away a million a day?

On Saturday for example they have 2 stakes worth $1000000 alone. Obviously they have 10 other races to fill that day. If you take the 50 for 50 literally then how do you propose that they stay within the $50 million dollar parameter? Most tracks that give away high average purse amounts have that average bouyed by a large stakes schedule. In virtually all horseman/racetrack contracts there exists a certain % that the overnight purses and stakes purses has to meet.

As for the idea that there is "false advertising" LOL! Seriously? Show me where it says that there will be exactly $1 million dollars given away everyday. Does anyone really think that Saratoga gives away $729,000 on its glorious Monday cards?
i dont think anyone was taking it literally. the meet was advertised as a million a day meet. it isnt. i was being sarcastic with the false advertising comment, but when you advertise a million a day meet and have days like today, then what would you call it? the facts are they havent hit 1 million a day yet. aside from 2 or 3 days where they have million dollar stakes, they wont hit a million a day ever.

you mentioned two stakes on saturday worth 1 million each. that isnt true.
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Old 06-25-2010, 09:50 PM
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i dont think anyone was taking it literally. the meet was advertised as a million a day meet. it isnt. i was being sarcastic with the false advertising comment, but when you advertise a million a day meet and have days like today, then what would you call it? the facts are they havent hit 1 million a day yet. aside from 2 or 3 days where they have million dollar stakes, they wont hit a million a day ever.

you mentioned two stakes on saturday worth 1 million each. that isnt true.
I didnt say that the stakes are worth 1 million each. I said there are two stakes worth 1 million (750k and 250k) on Sat and they still have 10 other races as well. So that day will be well in excess of 1 million. Probably close to 1.5 or 1.6 million which combined with todays card averages out to 1 million a day for those 2 days.
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Old 06-25-2010, 09:56 PM
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I didnt say that the stakes are worth 1 million each. I said there are two stakes worth 1 million (750k and 250k) on Sat and they still have 10 other races as well. So that day will be well in excess of 1 million. Probably close to 1.5 or 1.6 million which combined with todays card averages out to 1 million a day for those 2 days.
Chuck, you do realize their daily purses will not average out to $1 million a day at the end of the meet...right?
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:02 PM
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Chuck, you do realize their daily purses will not average out to $1 million a day at the end of the meet...right?
I dont really know or care either way. I was just taken aback that people expected them to actually pay out 1 million a day, every day.

Plus I think they may pay in excess of a million a day if Haskell bribe money is taken into consideration
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:31 PM
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I dont really know or care either way. I was just taken aback that people expected them to actually pay out 1 million a day, every day.

Plus I think they may pay in excess of a million a day if Haskell bribe money is taken into consideration
They are even small time bribing trainers for the United Nations now.

Right in the conditions - it says....

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Chuck, you do realize their daily purses will not average out to $1 million a day at the end of the meet...right?
They have been averaging $520k on Fridays, $890k on Saturdays, $750k on Sundays, and $886k on Mondays. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3c&hl=en#gid=0

Given that their three or four biggest days are still to come, those averages will rise. They will probably fall short of the marketing $50mm in 50 days, but apparently $900k/day, doubling handle, and increasing runners per race by over 2 isn't good enough.
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They have been averaging $520k on Fridays, $890k on Saturdays, $750k on Sundays, and $886k on Mondays. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3c&hl=en#gid=0

Given that their three or four biggest days are still to come, those averages will rise. They will probably fall short of the marketing $50mm in 50 days, but apparently $900k/day, doubling handle, and increasing runners per race by over 2 isn't good enough.
they have run one monday correct? it was memorial day. of course the purses were high that day. the point is that they are currently way under what was advertised and they will never be near 1 million a day.

that has nothing to do with doubling handle or increasing runners. the thread is about a claim that so far isnt close to being true and has zero chance to being true. i havent seen anyone in this thread talk about the meet being unsuccesful. just that their claim about purses isnt true.

wake me when you are done apologizing.
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:34 PM
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they have run one monday correct? it was memorial day. of course the purses were high that day. the point is that they are currently way under what was advertised and they will never be near 1 million a day.

that has nothing to do with doubling handle or increasing runners. the thread is about a claim that so far isnt close to being true and has zero chance to being true. i havent seen anyone in this thread talk about the meet being unsuccesful. just that their claim about purses isnt true.

wake me when you are done apologizing.
Do you have horses running there? No? Didn't think so. Therefore the purse structure is irrelevant to you. I'm not apologizing for ****, it's a focking marketing line. Hell, There isn't even 50 days from opening until labor day, it's 49 days. Additionally, there are only 3 Mondays and all are holidays so Memorial Day is a reasonable proxy for the other two. If you're that concerned about the analysis check the condition book for July 5th.
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Old 06-26-2010, 07:05 AM
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They have been averaging $520k on Fridays, $890k on Saturdays, $750k on Sundays, and $886k on Mondays. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3c&hl=en#gid=0

Given that their three or four biggest days are still to come, those averages will rise. They will probably fall short of the marketing $50mm in 50 days, but apparently $900k/day, doubling handle, and increasing runners per race by over 2 isn't good enough.
Wow, Phil. Take it easy. You are so unbelievably defensive about this that you have lost all perspective.
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Old 06-26-2010, 07:25 AM
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